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Can you get a default deleted? When will it drop off if you do nothing?

“This default is destroying my credit score – how do I get rid of it?”

This is a very common question!

It’s sometimes asked when people’s finances have improved and they are trying to clean up old problems on their credit history as fast as possible. Or sometimes the default feels unfair in someway

I will look at various cases to see what – if anything – can be done for each of them.

But first, there is no magic trick that an “expert” can use to do this. Don’t ever pay a firm that says they can sort this for you – their claims are often exaggerated, they can’t do anything that you couldn’t do yourself.

Magician's hat and wand - no trick will make a default vanish

Contents

  • The rules about when debts disappear from your credit record
  • Situations where the default should be removed
    • “I never owed this money”
    • “It’s not fair – I only missed one payment”
    • “A debt collector has added a later default”
    • “The default was added very late”
  • Cases where you have to win the argument to have it removed
    • “I was never properly informed about the debt”
    • “The debt isn’t enforceable”
    • “I should never have been given the loan!”
    • “I was in an abusive relationship”
  • When it is very unlikely a default will be removed
    • “The lender agreed to reduced payments but still added a default”
    • “The lender is adding a new default every month!”
    • “I agree with the default, but six years is too long!”

The rules about when debts disappear from your credit record

There are three credit reference agencies (CRAs) in Britain – Experian, Equifax and TransUnion. They all apply the same rules about reporting defaults.

How long a debt stays on your record depends on whether the record shows a default date or not. The two rules are:

  1. a debt with no default date stays on your record for six years from the date when it is settled. This applies whether it was settled in full or partially;
  2. a debt with a default date stays for six years from that date. You may have paid it in full,  made a full and final settlement, not paid anything to it, or still be making payments… none of these matter, the debt is still going to drop off after six years.

So the default date is an important piece of information for you to know. Don’t guess! Check your records with all three CRAs so you know exactly what they say.

Having a debt drop off your r4ecord because the default was over 6 years ago is the same in practice as having the default deleted.

Situations where the default should be removed

I am not saying these will be easy, but these are the most likely cases to succeed.

“I never owed this money”

If the debt isn’t yours, you should tell the lender and ask them to remove it from your credit record. It’s not just your credit record that matters here, you don’t want to be chased for money by the creditor or be taken to court for a CCJ.

If you recognise the debt but you don’t think you were ever in arrears with it, ask the lender for a statement of account to see where the problem is.

“It’s not fair – I only missed one payment”

In this case, no default should have been added as you were never three months in arrears!

Write to the lender, then appeal to the ICO if the lender refuses to correct it, see the above article about what the default date should be for details.

“A debt collector has added a later default”

They shouldn’t have done this. A debt collector can add a new record, but it should have the same default date as the original lender.

Write to the debt collector and ask them to correct it, and then appeal to the ICO if necessary.

“The default was added very late”

The rules say that a default should normally be when you are 3-6 months in arrears compared to what your normal payments would have been.

If a creditor has added a default later than this, it should be changed to be earlier. That means it will drop off sooner, and your credit record will be clean sooner.

See “What should the default date for a debt be?” which describes how to get your record corrected. For many people this is just as good as getting the default deleted and it can be a lot easier.

Cases where you have to win the argument to have it removed

“I was never properly informed about the debt”

Arguments can occur between you and a creditor if you feel they didn’t properly write to you about the debt, explain what the debt was or the size of it. Perhaps you moved house and the creditor carried on writing to your old address even though you notified them you had moved – this sort of thing.

If you paid the debt promptly as soon as you know about it, you could ask the lender to remove the default. Pointing out that you previously had a good history of paying their bills on time and that you don’t have other credit record problems can support your argument. You may have more luck going to the relevant Ombudsman rather than the ICO if the creditor refuses.

“The debt isn’t enforceable”

Sometimes this will work, sometimes it won’t.

  • sometimes a lender will admit – or a court may decide – that a debt isn’t enforceable because it is statute barred.  In this case a default should have been added to the debt more than 6 years ago, so you should ask for the default date to be changed so that it is earlier and then the debt will drop off your record.
  • when a creditor cannot produce the CCA agreement for a consumer credit debt it is unenforceable in court. See Debts – why, how & when to ask for the CCA agreement for details – this does not apply to all types of debt. Here the debt still legally exists and you owe it so the default will not be deleted.

“I should never have been given the loan!”

Many thousands of defaults have been deleted from credit records in the lest few years when people have won affordability complaints about guarantor loans, payday loans etc.

Lenders should have checked you could afford to repay a loan before they gave you the loan. A loan is only “affordable” if you can repay it without hardship and without having to borrow again or get behind with bills.

If a proper check would have shown that the credit wasn’t affordable for you, ask for a refund of the interest you paid and for any defaults or late payments markers to be deleted from your credit file.   See Affordability refunds for info on how to make these complaints for different sorts of credit including payday loans, Provident, guarantor loans, car finance, large bad credit loans and even catalogues.

Hundreds of thousands of these complaints have worked. Here is a comment from a reader who made a successful complaint against Satsuma, a payday lender:

I accepted Satsuma’s offer on 2nd January and received the cheque on 17th January. The negative information already removed from my credit file as well which made my credit score jump by 100 points :)

“I was in an abusive relationship”

Many people, usually women, have been pressured to take out credit for a partner or had a joint account with an abusive partner. Financial abuse is now recognised as a serious problem and most banks now subscribe to the Financial Abuse Code of Practice published in 2018.

If you feel the debt and the default resulted from an abusive relationship, I suggest going to your local Citizens Advice and asking for their help to see if the debt could be written off and the default removed.

When it is very unlikely a default will be removed

“The lender agreed to reduced payments but still added a default”

This can feel very unfair, but legally they can do this when the arrears reach 3-6 months.

This applies if you have payments arrangements with one or two lenders or a debt management plan through a DMP firm. See How does a DMP affect my credit rating for more details.

And although you may hate that default, it may actually be better for you than an Arrangement To Pay (AP) marker on your file! A defaulted record disappears after 6 years, an AP marker stays for 6 years after the debt is settled.

“The lender is adding a new default every month!”

This may make your credit report look dreadful but it is normal and it doesn’t matter:

  • the later defaults don’t make your credit rating worse because lenders’ scoring systems only look at the first one;
  • the debt will drop off 6 years after the first default, the later ones don’t affect this.

“I agree with the default, but six years is too long!”

If you just had a temporary problem, perhaps you lost your job, or couldn’t work when you were unwell, but after a year you were sorted and back making payments it can seem very hard for this black mark to stay on your credit file for so long.

But there is nothing you can do to make the default go away sooner.

You can add a Notice of Correction to your credit file to say why the problem happened.

As the default gets older, some lenders will be less worried about it. But for some creditors, eg many high street mortgage lenders, any default, even five years ago, may result in a rejection.

Usually the best you can do is settle the debt as soon as possible. This doesn’t get rid of the default and doesn’t improve your credit score, but it will mean that more lenders are willing to give you credit.


More Debt Camel articles:

Pay a defaulted account to help credit score?

Is an unknown debt on your credit file?

Improve your credit score for a mortgage

January 10, 2020 Author: Sara Williams Tagged With: Credit ratings, Defaults

Comments

  1. Gavin says

    October 28, 2020 at 9:54 am

    Hi, I have a loan with Swift Stirling who are to be closed down by the liquidators on the 06/11/2020. Swift Stirling sent me a email stating no further payments will taken from the 06/11/2020, so if you do not pay the balance by this date you credit file will notified to default payment. This is unfair as it can take upto 6 years for defaults to be removed from your credit file and it is not my fault Swift Stirling went into administration before I could repay my loan. Is there anything I can do to remove the default due to this being the lenders fault and not mine?

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      October 28, 2020 at 9:56 am

      did you have previous loans from them? What date was your default?

      Reply
  2. Tom Smith says

    October 28, 2020 at 10:45 am

    Can you please help. I had two direct debits bounce by my bank for car finance. Payments were due 15th of the month, I effectively missed payments on 15th May and 15th of June. I then paid all the arrears by 28th June, but I’ve been issued with a default for £20k plus. Does this seem fair? Do I have a chance of removal?

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      October 28, 2020 at 11:22 am

      No that doesn’t seem fair. From what you have said, you were never 3 months in arrears. I suggest you put in a complaint and ask for the default to be removed. You can take this to the Finanical Ombudsman if they say no.

      Reply
  3. Nil says

    October 29, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    Hello Sara

    I have 2 CCJ’s on my account from 2016 and 2017. I recall paying those when I receievd the letters and set up a payment plan with the companies. Is there any way of getting these removed as I didn’t think they would go on my account if I paid the CJJ and came to a repayment plan with the company.
    I was made redundant twice and wasn;t in a very high paying job at the time and fell behind. Is there anythig I can do to get these removed? I would like to get a mortgage at the end of next year and think these will make it very difficult.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      October 29, 2020 at 1:44 pm

      A CCJ will stay on your credit record for 6 years unless it is paid in full within 30 days.
      Setting up a repayment plan will have stopped the lender trying to enforce the CCJ (through bailiffs or deductions from your wages) but it doesn’t get it removed from your credit record.
      You will find it extremely difficult to get a mortgage at a half way reasonable rate with 2 CCjs I am afraid.

      Reply
      • Nil says

        October 29, 2020 at 1:48 pm

        Does it make any difference that they were for small amounts around £1000?

        Reply
        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          October 29, 2020 at 2:06 pm

          You would need to talk to a broker about that as it will be lender by lender. For many high street lenders the answer is probably No, it doesn’t make a difference. Especially at the moment.

          Reply
  4. Dan says

    November 1, 2020 at 8:11 pm

    I had a joint loan with my ex wife. The monthly payment came out of my account, and no payments were missed for 5 years. With two years still to go to pay off the loan, my ex filed for an IVA without my knowledge, causing the loan to be passed to the collections team and the loan to be defaulted. This is now on my credit file for 6 years. Neither my ex nor the bank informed me that the loan was being passed to the collections team so it came as a complete shock. My ex went through an agency to process the IVA, who contacted the bank to stop the direct debit from my bank account (again, without my knowledge). As soon as I found out about this, I paid off the loan in full. However the default remains for 6 years. Do I have any case for having this removed from my credit file? My credit score is impeccable and I have never missed a payment on any debt. I’m worried this will affect a future mortgage application. Thanks in advance for any advice.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 1, 2020 at 8:14 pm

      The IVA firm told your bank to stop a payment? Why did your bank agree?

      Reply
      • Dan says

        November 1, 2020 at 10:04 pm

        To be honest, I have no idea. The IVA firm was working on behalf of my ex, and I only realised there was an issue when the monthly direct debit did not come out of my account as usual.

        Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 1, 2020 at 10:06 pm

      It’s more likely the lender stopped taking the DD then, not the bank cancelled it.
      Have you put in a complaint to the lender?

      Reply
      • Dan says

        November 1, 2020 at 10:10 pm

        I may have been incorrect to say the IVA firm requested the bank to stop the direct debit, but they did contact the bank to inform them of the IVA and therefore the loan was passed to the debt collections team (without my knowledge). Apologies for any confusion caused. It’s a lot to get my head around. Thanks for your help

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        • Dan says

          November 1, 2020 at 10:13 pm

          Yes I have put in a formal complaint and waiting to hear back. However, the bank have stated over the phone that they had no responsibility to let me know of changes to the loan because the other person named on the loan (my ex) had requested changes via the IVA firm.

          Reply
        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 2, 2020 at 8:14 am

          OK so your argument is that you had joint and several liability for the debt, your ex’s IVA did not remove your liability and so the bank should have continued to take payments from you. It is unreasonable to default you when you were willing and able to continue with your contractual repayments.
          Take this to the Financial Ombudsman if the bank doesn’t correct your credit record.

          Reply
          • Dan says

            November 2, 2020 at 8:27 am

            Thank you very much for your help Sara, I will do this. Your advice is really appreciated.

          • Dan says

            December 24, 2020 at 8:46 am

            Hi Sara, I just wanted to respond with an update in case anybody else finds themselves in a similar situation to me. It’s been 8 weeks since I complained via the bank’s online complaint form. However I also sent the same complaint to the bank CEO 4 weeks ago. Yesterday I received a phone call from a member of the exec complaints team. They are removing the default. I’m elated!

            Funnily enough, I received a text message this morning from the original complaints team saying that, as it’s been 8 weeks, I can take my complaint to the Financial Ombudsman as they haven’t been able to reply within the 8 weeks.

            So if I hadn’t have complained higher up within the bank, I would not be in the position now of knowing that the default is getting deleted soon.

            Sara, thank you for your advice regarding this matter. It was really appreciated.

  5. Chris says

    November 2, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    Hi, shot in the dark here but was wondering tou could help. I had a default from a store card three years ago. It was a buy not pay 12 months later. My faylt it was something i had forgotten about. I had joined the military just before that 12 month period and had to go away for three months basic training and was not at my previous address so could not reply or correspond to any of the letters that was sent. Do you think this is something i could ask to be removed as i had paid as soon as i found it when i was on leave and travelled home. Cheers

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 3, 2020 at 6:42 am

      You could ask as a gesture of goodwill, serving your country etc etc. But technically the default if correct.

      Reply
  6. Blooming says

    November 3, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    Hi Sara

    Very good news to share. I wrote to Barclays and they have responded with a lengthy 2 page letter. They were apologetic due to the delay in responding to my complaint but they supported my complaint and as there never was a default added to the account, Link had proceeded to add one in line with their procedures but they will ask them to remove their entry. Barclays too will be removing their entry but it should take about 8 weeks. They also noticed that interest had been charged for a couple of years while I was on a DMP so they would be refunding me this interest along with an amount for the delay in responding to my complaint. Xmas has definitely come early for me and i only have you to thank for this. Thank you so much

    Blooming

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 4, 2020 at 8:08 am

      Well done!

      Reply
      • Blooming says

        November 19, 2020 at 11:32 am

        Hi Sara

        Checked all 3 CRAs this morning and all traces of link and Barclays have been removed even in the closed accounts! Mu credit score has lept up as a result of this. Thank you so much for all your help. Really, really grateful x

        Reply
  7. Graham says

    November 4, 2020 at 3:29 pm

    On the 28th April 2017 my Step Father was taken ill, I temporarily relocated from my home in Wales to Dorset to care for him. I used my Lloyds Debit Card at a Pay@Pump, this caused the current account to go into an unauthorised overdraft of £33.10. I returned to Wales on 25th November 2017 to find several statements from Lloyds showing the overdraft (£33.10) had escalated to a debt of £221.01. A default notice and account closure letters were there to greet me. I wrote to Lloyds debt recovery unit explaining and complaining. The Debt was then transferred to their collection Company Hoist Finance. Fast Forward to 2020 and Covid-19; I run my own small business which did get adversely affected by the original lockdown in April / May 2020, I applied for an overdraft and then a CBIL, both refused. Having explained to my business bank manager this situation they agreed to progress the CBILS and advised me to pay this account and then get the default removed. So I paid in full, and sent a further registered letter to Hoist Finance / Robinson Way asking them to confirm it is NOT in their power to remove this default from my credit record. The reason I want them to clarify this point is I am in the process a raising a detailed complaint with the Financial Ombudsman and need to know if this should be addressed solely at Lloyds or applied to Hoist Finance / Robinson Way. Any comments on my situation would be gratefully received.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 4, 2020 at 5:09 pm

      I suggest you complain to Lloyds. You may find this hard to win though.

      Reply
  8. Nigel says

    November 7, 2020 at 10:45 am

    If you remember I had a complaint with nationwide on 21 October 2020 to remove a default I added to it on 29th October.

    Most complaints are dealt with in 5 days
    Why nationwide taking so long, when they have all the evidence from call,I understand they have 8 weeks
    I no I have no option but to wait, it’s just that it’s stressing me out

    If you remember all they need to need decide weather to remove a default, surely they get complaints like this all the time

    They didn’t even say, it’s because there busy, they said they haven’t been able to make a decision and hope to by first 10th November, now sent a new letter out saying they hope 28th November I apprictiate at least there not keeping me in dark.

    If it’s taking long time does that mean better chance of success

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 7, 2020 at 11:07 am

      I don’t think your case is that simple. I doubt that taking longer means you have a better chance of success – it either means it hasn’t been looked at or that it is complicated.

      Reply
      • Nigel says

        November 7, 2020 at 11:15 am

        Thank you, can I ask what could be so complicated, regarding removing a default

        If they messed up remove it, if not explain why they didn’t.

        For example if you worked for them I’ think you would be able to make a decision straight away.

        Reply
        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 7, 2020 at 11:38 am

          As I said before:

          “You can try to complain and say this unfair, they never told you about the default, they say they should never have given you a payments holiday and you are happy to set up a payments arrangement if they remove the default. You may not have a strong case, but it’s worth a try.”

          Reply
          • Nigel says

            November 7, 2020 at 11:47 am

            Which I have done plus more, quotes form there and fos website

            I think I have a strong case how come you think I don’t

          • Sara (Debt Camel) says

            November 7, 2020 at 11:52 am

            I said it’s not simple.

            They are not obliged legally to tell you about adding a default. It isn’t clear to me if a payments holiday was in your best interest. Anyway a lender wasn’t obliged to consider in detail if one was before giving it. I have no idea what the phone conversation record shows.

            This isn’t me you have to convince and there is no point in asking me any more questions about this.

  9. John says

    November 15, 2020 at 9:26 am

    Hi Debt Camel

    I bought a house in May 2017; prior to moving in, we notified Bulb Energy that we wanted them to take over the existing energy supply (from First Utility – now Shell Energy). They did this in June 2017 and I paid my first Bulb bill on the 23rd of June.

    Bulb liaised with First Utility for the account to be closed (they could do this as I was not in arrears etc – had never had an account with them before. I never received a final bill from First Utility/Shell yet, in October 2017 I was contacted by a debt collection agency for £81.70 which was claimed for the final bill (never issued). I immediately called First Utility and asked that they issue me the bill so that I could see what the usage was and if it tallied with my final readings when we completed. They didn’t issue it for 2 months and when they did I paid it immediately. Yet I was given a default as they had instructed the debt collectors and when I appealed I was told that they couldn’t remove it (even if they wanted to) as I had spoken to the debt collectors and therefore the default was ‘good’.

    Does this sound fair? I mean, an ‘inherited’ utility account, which I immediately switched from and they never issued a final bill which I then got chased from and as soon as I was I engaged with the company just to be told ‘non’.

    Thank you,

    JP

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 15, 2020 at 9:53 am

      No it doesn’t sound fair at all. Have you spoken to Bulb about when they took the account over?

      Reply
      • John says

        November 16, 2020 at 2:46 pm

        Bulb took the account over on the 23rd June yet First Utility maintain that they were supplying until the 30th June – yet I have a bill/statement from Bulb showing standing charge and usage since 23rd June.

        Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 16, 2020 at 6:06 pm

      I think you should take this complaint to the Ombudsman. Your local Citizens Advice can help with this.

      Reply
      • John says

        November 16, 2020 at 9:57 pm

        Hi Sara

        I had actually raised it again with Shell and, miraculously, they have agreed to remove the default from my credit files and this should be done in the next 2-5 days.

        Would you have any idea of the increase I may see in my score for a default being removed which, as of today, is 2.5yrs old?

        Thank you so much for your advice!

        Reply
        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 17, 2020 at 7:18 am

          See https://debtcamel.co.uk/credit-score-change/ which gives some rough numbers but it depends a lot on the rest of your credit record.

          Reply
  10. Sarah says

    November 16, 2020 at 11:41 am

    Hi Sara. I have a question please. Does a lender (in my case, Halifax) have a legal obligation to send a notice of default (i.e. give warning that they will default my account if I don’t take action) before a default is placed on my account? I am asking because I did not receive any warning and I would have settled the debt immediately if I had been made aware. This is in relation to a joint loan, and I am unaware if my ex partner received any notice. Thank you.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 16, 2020 at 6:07 pm

      Who was paying the debt, you or your ex?

      Reply
      • Sarah says

        November 16, 2020 at 7:35 pm

        The monthly payment came out of my account every month and he would send me his half every month. The loan was in both of our names. He must have got into some financial difficulty because the loan was defaulted. However I don’t know any further details as we aren’t in contact. If the bank had given me warning about the default then I would have settled the debt to avoid the mark on my credit file (which has been impeccable until this point) :(

        Reply
        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 16, 2020 at 7:57 pm

          So did they stop taking the debit from your account? Or are you saying you had made all the payments to the debt and they still defaulted the account?
          Have you asked them why the account was defaulted?

          Reply
          • Sarah says

            November 16, 2020 at 8:20 pm

            Hi Sara, yes they stopped taking the payment. I didn’t know why until I rang them and they said the debt was passed to the collections department. My ex has run into financial problems.

          • Sara (Debt Camel) says

            November 16, 2020 at 9:05 pm

            You need to send them a complaint and ask why they stopped taking payments. Ask them to remove the default as you did not stop paying them, they stopped paying you.

          • Sarah says

            November 16, 2020 at 9:23 pm

            Thanks Sara, I’ll do that. Fingers crossed they will remove the default.

  11. Coral says

    November 17, 2020 at 8:24 am

    I opened a student overdraft with Santander back in 2012, they passed my details onto a third party debt collector which I am paying off. Since then they are continuing to default me which is ruining my credit score. Are they allowed to do this? Can you advise a number of who I can call to speak to to seek advice on how to improve my credit score. With this also I have been out of the country for the last 4 years which means I’ve not taken any credit out in my name. Currently not eligible for a credit card, phone contract etc and would like to get my score up to change this. When looking online I am completely overwhelmed with information as I really don’t understand how credit scores work or the right person to speak to.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 17, 2020 at 9:10 am

      Did you carry on making payments while you were out of the country?
      Are you sure the debt shows as defaulted, with a default date? What is that date? Or does it show as having missed payments?

      Reply
      • Coral says

        November 18, 2020 at 7:12 pm

        Hi, thanks for getting back to me. Missed payments whilst I was away but eventually set up a payment plan with a third party debt collector. On clear score it is telling me that my Santander account is ‘in default’ which was updated in October 2020, no missed payments for a long time so I’m totally confused. Do you have any advise on the next steps to take?

        Reply
      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        November 18, 2020 at 8:45 pm

        I suggest you look at your Equifax statutory credit report, not Clear Score. See https://www.equifax.co.uk/Products/credit/statutory-report.html

        Reply
  12. stella says

    November 17, 2020 at 8:44 am

    Npower as put a defunct on my credit report despite the fact that i have paid the full amount in July 2020 but my credit report is still showing the defunct amount. Because of this i am not getting mortgage. Please i need advice

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 17, 2020 at 9:03 am

      =Was your July payment just paying arrears from previously, or have you never missed a payment to them?

      How large a % deposit do you have a for a mortgage?

      Reply
  13. Steph says

    November 17, 2020 at 8:09 pm

    Hi, I’m in the process of applying for a mortgage and have run a credit search with Check My File. I have spotted two things that are frustrating.
    Firstly, EE have added a default notice (for 5 months of arrears). I had closed my account with them and moved my phone contract over to 3, I’d paid my final bill and when closing my account asked if there was anything further they needed from me, to which they said no. A few months later I received a letter to say I had an outstanding balance so called immediately and paid the £18 off (for what I don’t know but was keen to just settle it as I’m really conscious of my credit score). It’s really unfair that this is listed as a default when I was unaware of it and paid as soon as was notified, do you think they will remove this?
    Secondly, I had a joint account with an ex partner when we lived together. To my knowledge the account was closed when we parted ways (I had to sign a document to close this and he said he would sign and hand in to the bank). There is no reason for me to believe this wasn’t actioned. I’m still financially linked – can I get this tie removed from my record?
    Thank you.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 17, 2020 at 8:53 pm

      How old was the EE default?
      is the joint account appearing on your credit record as open or closed?

      Reply
      • Steph says

        November 19, 2020 at 4:05 pm

        The EE default is from 2018, it’s showing as 5 months in arrears if that makes a difference. The joint account is showing as closed, thank you.

        Reply
        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 19, 2020 at 4:08 pm

          if the EE record shows as 5 months in arrears, that is not technically a default. It should be showing now as closed with zero owing?

          Reply
          • Steph says

            November 19, 2020 at 4:25 pm

            It is showing as zero yes. You’re right it is arrears rather than default but still showing as adverse credit on my record. Thank you.

      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        November 19, 2020 at 4:34 pm

        OK so you can ask EE to remove the “in arrears” marker because you asked them if there was anything more to pay and they said no. Arrears arent as bad as a default as as the amount is tiny, I would hope it wouldnt cause a problem for a mortgage application. Go through a good mortgage broker not direct to a bank.

        re the joint account, this article says how to ask the credit reference agencies to sever the link with your ex: https://debtcamel.co.uk/splitting-up-finances/

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        • Steph says

          November 19, 2020 at 4:41 pm

          Thank you so much, I will get on to it!

          Reply
  14. Ben J says

    November 17, 2020 at 8:33 pm

    I had an informal overdraft reaching £500 that I left for 6 months with hsbc a couple of years ago. at the time I had a serious gambling problem and had requested on two occasions to not have the ability to go into an informal overdraft for this reason, to which they refused. the full informal overdraft was gambling deposits. I repaid the default once I realised they had defaulted me and sent it to a debt collector. Can this be removed as I pretty much warned them I had a gambling problem at the time and didn’t want the unnaranged overdraft for that reason? Now with another bank and free of gambling

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 17, 2020 at 8:51 pm

      Yes, that sounds a good reason for a complaint. How did you tell them you had a gambling problem – phone, email, secure message…

      Reply
      • Ben J says

        November 17, 2020 at 9:00 pm

        I believe it was a secure message

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  15. Charl says

    November 18, 2020 at 11:52 am

    Hi, I am currently looking at getting my first house I have just applied for a very small mortgage but it has been declined due to my credit history. I had a student overdraft with Barclays of £1750 and straight after Uni I went into the bank to let them know I would be moving abroad and working away. I was never notified about my student overdraft and being quite frank completely forgot about it as I hadn’t been contacted six years down the line I come back home and haven’t heard anything until I apply for my credit report. The account has been defaulted for £2300, at the time I took it out I was 18 years of age and unaware of the circumstances or that it would turn into a normal overdraft with interest, I was never notify of the debt later on and it is only now that I am feeling the pinch. At that age I didn’t realise these kind of things would stay on my credit report for six years, I was young and clueless. I have phoned Barclays and they said the don’t have the account on file. Do you think there is a potential of getting this removed? Thank you.

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 18, 2020 at 1:17 pm

      when did you go abroad? is there a default date showing on the credit record?

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    • Charl says

      November 18, 2020 at 2:07 pm

      I went abroad in 2014 and actually opened the account in 2011, on the default account it says 2018 thank you so much

      Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 18, 2020 at 3:42 pm

      Unless you told Barclays your address, it may not help you to say they never told me about the student account going into arrears.

      You could send Barclays a Subject Access Request asking for a copy of all the data they have about you : https://www.apply.barclays.co.uk/forms/gdpr?execution=e1s1
      I don’t know what that will say, if anything, about the visit to your branch when you told them you were going abroad.

      But I don’t want to get your hopes up about this – there is no clear reason at the moment why they should remove this default,

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  16. Brendan says

    November 19, 2020 at 9:40 am

    Hi Debt Camel,

    Thank you for all the greatly informative information you provide on your website. It is my go-to website for financial advice. I was just wondering if debt collection agencies have the power to remove defaults if you can convince them that the loan was given under irresponsible lending? The reason I ask is that I have had several payday loan, credit card and a store card list defaults against my credit file. I have settled most of the accounts and am in the process of coming to settlement agreements with the rest for a discounted rate. For instance, I have a Very catelogue debt that is being dealt with by Lowell. Would I need to ask Very to consider removing the default or could Lowell do this? I’m hoping I can make a case to the companies before consulting the Ombudsmen. Most of the debt is from 2016/2017.

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 19, 2020 at 10:00 am

      You need to complain to Very not lowell. If they uphold your case and remove negative markers from your credit record, Lowell will have to too.

      Reply
      • Brendan says

        November 19, 2020 at 10:02 am

        Many thanks for the quick response. I will get writing!

        Reply
  17. Ryan says

    November 20, 2020 at 7:46 am

    I have a question. I had a default against me from Eon. I told them I wouldn’t pay debt until they removed it. They refused to do so. However, in past couple of weeks they have sold my debt to lowell and marked my account as closed. Does this mean the default is gone and I can now settle with Lowell? Since Eon marked account as closed it is not showing as default

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 20, 2020 at 8:13 am

      Is there still a default date against the debt? A default is nit normally removed when s loan is sold. When the Lowell debt is added to your credit records it will normally have a default on it.

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      • Ryan says

        November 22, 2020 at 7:46 am

        The Lowell debt hasn’t yet appeared on my file just the Eon account closed. Perhaps I am too early. However, in theory Lowell would now have control over the default and if I settle immediately they could remove it. Or is that wrong? Thanks for help

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 22, 2020 at 9:16 am

          Have you checked credit records with all three credit reference agencies?

          Lowell should not remove a default just because you offer to settle it now. I suppose they may, but under the credit reporting code they are not supposed to.

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  18. Emel says

    November 20, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    Hello, I moved out of the house that I was renting in December 2019. I was going to spend sometime abroad. I have closed all my payments with electricity, gas, Virgin Media. I have paid all the last payments and returned the Broadband equipment to Virgin Media, as well. 11 months passed. I have never received any phone call even though I have used the same UK phone number during all this time, no e-mail but when I applied for a mortagage in November 2020, I’ve been refused on the ground that I have a default payment. I have registered on Experian to find out what this default payment was and I’ve found out that it was a £15 to Virgin Media, unexplained on what grounds. My old landlady has not informed me of any mails I’ve received either. I have paid this amount right away but it has largely decreased my credit score and prevented me to apply for a mortgage. Since I was not properly informed at all about this payment, how can I have it removed from my credit score? Thank you in advance, Best wishes,

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 20, 2020 at 2:17 pm

      Have you asked Virgin what the charge was for and why you were not informed about it?

      Reply
  19. Nigel says

    November 20, 2020 at 5:17 pm

    It’s good news default will be removed loans rewritten.

    Just one question I had, I was in arrers during the payment hoilday, so they putted missed payments every month I was on payment hoilday.
    They won’t remove that as I was in arrers, is it worth speaking to fos to get that removed…as I wasn’t aware.
    Or slim chnace of sucess

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 20, 2020 at 7:01 pm

      Well persevered.

      You were in arrears when the payment holiday started, weren’t you? I don’t think FOS will say they should remove those.

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      • Nigel says

        November 20, 2020 at 7:26 pm

        Sorry they maybe miss understanding yes I was in arrers, they can keep them on but during my payment hoilday every month it shows missed payment on my credit file, that can’t be right I didn’t miss them I was on payment hoilday

        So if you in arrers every month they put miss payments on credit file until arrers are cleared? Even if you pay Monthley , I never knew that.

        Shall I clarify in the email or will they just invite it now because I have to email them to rewrite anyway

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 20, 2020 at 7:57 pm

          So if you in arrers every month they put miss payments on credit file until arrers are cleared? Even if you pay Monthley , I never knew that.

          Yes that is right. Once you are say 4 months behind, your credit record will continue to show 4 months behind unless you start paying the normal repayments AND pay off the arrears. If you pay off one month of arrears, your record should be changed to showing 3 months in errears.

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  20. Taj says

    November 22, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    Hi, all of the defaults have dropped off my file and I have no CCJ’s but my Credit Karma rating is only 541 or of 710 and my Experian score is 726 out of 999.

    How can I improve my rating?

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 22, 2020 at 8:09 pm

      What shows now on your credit record? Do you have credit cards where you are using a lot of the limit? Any missed payments?

      Reply
      • Taj says

        November 23, 2020 at 1:27 am

        All of the defaults have now dropped off. Nothing is showing as being reported currently on my credit file. No CCJ as well.

        I don’t have any outstanding debts showing on my file. What’s the best way to now improve my rating?

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 23, 2020 at 5:40 am

          A good option is LOQBOX if you can save asset amount every month for a year, see https://www.loqbox.com/en_gb/. It’s safe and you end Up with a better score and a small nest egg.

          If you dont have any spare money to save, then you can look at getting a credit builder card, but they are very risky and many people end up back with more debt problems and worse score… see https://debtcamel.co.uk/credit-builder-cards/

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  21. Dale says

    November 25, 2020 at 3:27 pm

    I had a loan with a lender but struggled to make re-payments because of the date of the DD set up. I asked multiple times for them to change but they said i would have to catch up with missed payments before they changed the date (Which i couldnt afford to do). This led to another missed payment a few months later and they sold the debt to another company. I now have 4 defaults on my account – Can i do anything? Will the old lender help as they have proof of me trying to rectify the reason behind the missed payment? Any help would be great

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 25, 2020 at 4:07 pm

      were you just paying a few days late?

      Reply
  22. John says

    November 26, 2020 at 2:43 pm

    Hi Sara – I paid off a defaulted debt to Hoist (ex-Aqua) in July 2018. I have since discovered that Hoist have continued to report this defaulted debt (but with a zero balance) ever since, including the current month. So, even though the debt was settled in full (and with no issues) they still report every month to Experian. However, there are no reports to Transunion since the settlement date in 2018.
    I understand that a default sits for 6 years but once repaid in full surely there should be no further reports on the date keeping it live? Every time they report the 6 year period re-starts despite the debt being settled to both parties satisfaction and I feel I will never have a clear credit record.
    I contacted them to get this corrected – they ignore the first and second request. I registered a complaint and it’s now on week 4 with no response and this is over and above the original 3 weeks of the initial requests. The relevant department doesn’t take customer calls and I am just going round in circles. I am intending to complain to the FO after the statutory 8 weeks and exhausting Hoist’s complaints procedure.
    Am I missing something here or is there any there action I can take?
    Any advice you can offer would be great, thank you.

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 26, 2020 at 3:47 pm

      Is there a default date on the Experian credit record? Was it showing with a D every month?

      Reply
      • John says

        November 26, 2020 at 4:17 pm

        It has Accounted Settled date 25/05/18, Balance £0.00 credit in use, Current status Default / Ended. For each month just has an exclamation mark on a pink background icon and that is described as an ‘icon account default’. So, not a D but its equivalent – this is the Experian report delivered via the MSE website (as it’s free)
        I have four other accounts all settled around the same time and none of them have any reports since the balance was repaid; each one has a final £0.00 report after settlement and nothing since.
        Hope that all makes sense and explains why the default keeps being added each month 2.5 years after full settlement.
        Thanks

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 26, 2020 at 4:29 pm

          get the experian statutory credit report from here: https://www.experian.co.uk/consumer/statutory-report.html

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    • John says

      December 4, 2020 at 2:25 pm

      Hi Sara – passkey arrived and I downloaded the report. The entries are Account Status Code (8) which defined as “Account is in default. You failed to keep to the credit agreement and have not responded satisfactorily to requests to bring payments up to date. The credit agreement has ended”
      This has been reported 24 months running however the report shows full and final settlement has been made 25 months ago.

      All other accounts are OK and reporting has ended when settled in full. I have disputed with Hoist, they failed to respond and I am now in week 6 of their complaint procedure – no answer or explanation and I intend to go to the FO after week 8, if that’s the correct procedure? Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

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      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        December 4, 2020 at 5:23 pm

        So is the balance showing as zero?
        what is the default date?

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        • John says

          December 4, 2020 at 11:03 pm

          The default date is 25/07/18 and the balance has been showing as zero since November 2018 when the final payment was reported

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 5, 2020 at 11:38 am

      Well if the balance is zero and there is a default, it is going to drop off 6 years after the default date. I can’t see why Hoist are continuing to report it but as a matter of practicality it is unlikely to harm be harming your credit score.

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      • John says

        December 5, 2020 at 12:53 pm

        OK understood. My only worry was that the 6 year period keeps re-starting every month they report again but if that’s not the case then I guess it is OK. Thanks again for all your help Sara

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  23. Gemma says

    November 26, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    Hi I’m hoping someone can help me at my wits end!
    I defaulted on a quick quid loan in 2014 and have been repaying via a dmp ever since. Come July the account fell off my credit file as expected but then in August they added a new record for the same debt showing a 6 month arrears marker. It was my understanding this should be removed totally as the account isn’t active barr repayment through dmp. I have complained and they have refused to remove it what should I do. ( the account is closed simply being repaid ever since the default in 2014. tia

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 26, 2020 at 6:59 pm

      have you sent in a claim for unaffordability? if you win that, the credit record will be wiped clean.

      do you have an old credit report that shows the debt with a default date on it?

      Reply
      • Gemma says

        December 1, 2020 at 1:20 pm

        Hi Sara

        I tried the claim for I affordability and they rejected it :(
        I don’t think I have a copy of the old report either as I just use the free online access via money saving expert.

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  24. Sam says

    November 30, 2020 at 1:45 am

    Hi Sara,

    Wondering if you can help.

    I had a contract with t mobile in 2016 which finished Jan 2017. I paid for this with direct debit. Unknown to me when my contract finished they generated a final bill but cancelled my direct debit. I still owed around £15 but was never told (never received any letters/requests to pay this from t mobile).
    In March 18 I receieved a letter from Lowell who had bought this debt requesting I paid it, I requested proof etc and when I realised that it was correct debt I paid by May 18. They added a default for the debt in 2017.
    I’ve asked them to remove it as I was never told about the orginal debt and when I was made aware I paid within 2 months.
    They’ve said no because ‘We have a duty of care to show an accurate reflection of your previous financial transactions’.
    Do you think this is fair/should I go any further with this as just £15 is tanking my credit score.
    Thanks,
    Sam

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      November 30, 2020 at 9:30 am

      they generated a final bill but cancelled my direct debit
      who cancelled the DD – you or T mobile?

      Reply
      • Sam says

        November 30, 2020 at 3:01 pm

        Hi Sara,

        I believe t mobile.

        Thanks,
        Sam

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          November 30, 2020 at 3:30 pm

          That would be unusual – can you ask your bank to confirm it? If they didn’t take the DD then it is totally their fault and they should remove the default.

          If you cancelled it, then you have to make the harder argument that it’s not your fault as T-mobile neve told you there was money owing.

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  25. Jake says

    December 2, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    Hi,

    I have previously had a few of my credit accounts fall into an arrears balance, and unfortunately end up in a default position, due to changes in circumstances.

    I had contacted all of the companies relevant parties after becoming aware of the defaults to arrange suitable payment plans, to clear the balances on these. At present, these companies are showing on my credit file as being defaulted although payments have bene being made for around 5/6 months now and I thought that once payments were being made the credit reference agencies would be notified accordingly? Is this not the case, or would these continue to show as in default until the balances are paid off?

    Thanks!
    Jake

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 2, 2020 at 8:34 pm

      The default remains for 6 years after the default date.
      When will the balances be paid off?

      Reply
      • Jake says

        December 17, 2020 at 7:58 pm

        Hi, thanks for the update on this! Currently I have payments plans and Direct Debit payments in place to have all my outstanding balances cleared no later than August of 2021.

        After the balances are cleared are companies able to make a notice of settlement?

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          December 17, 2020 at 9:22 pm

          “After the balances are cleared are companies able to make a notice of settlement?”

          I’m not sure what you are asking about? A “Notice of Settlement” is not a standard term.

          Reply
  26. kelly says

    December 7, 2020 at 9:43 am

    Hi,
    I have a default from 30th april 2014 and has been updated on the 8th june 2020. Will this drop of my report? Thanks

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 7, 2020 at 10:55 am

      When you say “you had a default”, do you mean you missed payments? Or that the creditor added default date to your credit record?
      What was the change in June 2020?
      What credit report are you looking at?

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      • kelly says

        December 7, 2020 at 11:06 am

        Hi I’m looking at clear score and it was scottish power but they put un the meter wrong and nothing ever came of it and I have now checked my report as I’m going to apply for a mortgage and seen this. Default date is 2014 but it says updated june 2020 thanks

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          December 7, 2020 at 11:27 am

          I suggest you look at the Equifax statutory Credit report as it is often clearer about what had happened than Clear Score. https://www.equifax.co.uk/Products/credit/statutory-report.html

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  27. Maria G says

    December 8, 2020 at 6:51 pm

    Hi Sara,

    I have 3 defaults from 2017. I’m aware these will drop off after 6 years. Will that still be the case if they aren’t paid ? After the 6 years they have dropped off and are still unpaid do I stand a chance at getting credit at better rates ? Even a mortgage perhaps ? Thanks

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 8, 2020 at 7:05 pm

      Are you making any payments to these defaulted debts?

      Reply
  28. Noeline says

    December 21, 2020 at 11:28 am

    Hi,

    I had a default of £13 with virgin media after ending my contract with them. All through my time with them, I paid my bills on time and only found out about the default recently which I have paid but this has impacted negatively on my credit score. Please I need your advise on how to resolve this.

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 21, 2020 at 1:41 pm

      You haven’t given any reason why the default is wrong. So you just have to ask nicely and point out this was an oversight, you had a spotless credit record and you have repaid it as soon as you found out.
      IF this doesn’t work, you could try emailing their CEO lutz.schueler@virginmedia.co.uk, but don’t do this first, try the normal customer services first.

      Reply
  29. Adam says

    December 24, 2020 at 9:34 am

    Hi I have had a letter from Barclay card stating that I am due a refund because they set my credit limit too high. I was in a payment plan with them which I have now paid off but it has been recorded as a default on my credit report. Is there any chance of making them remove the default of my credit report because they messed up my credit limit?

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 24, 2020 at 9:58 am

      when was the payment plan paid off?

      how large a refund have they offered?

      Reply
      • Adam says

        December 24, 2020 at 10:26 am

        Yes it has been paid off in full roughly 2 months ago . They refund was for £600

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 24, 2020 at 11:20 am

      OK so at the moment this will drop off your credit record 6 years after the default date – when was that?

      If you get the default removed, you also have to ask for the payment arrangement markers to be removed, otherwise the debt with the payment arrangement will be on your credit record for 6 years from the settlement date, which was very recent. Although a default is worse than a payment arrangement, the default would at least drop off first.

      You can ask for this to happen. So far Barclaycard don’t seem to be very co-operative about agreeing. You may need to send this to the Financial Ombudsman to look at if Barclay card say No.

      Reply
      • Adam says

        December 24, 2020 at 12:51 pm

        The default date is 30 july 2019. Is there a template letter available I can use to send to barclays.

        Thank you for all your help and advice

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          December 24, 2020 at 2:28 pm

          no, these are all very individual cases, you need to say what happened, why you think this is unfair and what you want Barclays to do to put it right.

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  30. Charles Muambi says

    December 28, 2020 at 2:05 am

    I took out a car finance back in 2015 while working as self employed being paid by commission. The affordability was never checked all they requested from me was one month Bank Statement. I honestly wanted a car worth £7,000 maximum. However, I find myself given a car worth over £12,000. I paid the loan for two years until the day I was unable to afford the repayment. The car was repossessed because I was £1995 in arrears. Two years later, I received a £25 check from the lender saying I had over paid the loan. Surprisingly I have checked my credit file to just find out that that loan account has been put down as default with £4116. I do not understand why this has happened as I never received a letter informing me about this. I have tried to login and the account is closed.
    I have to mention that by the time the car was repossessed I had already paid more than 50% of the loan more than £7,400.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 28, 2020 at 4:53 am

      I suggest you ask the lender why this debt has now been added with a default when you have never been contacted about it.

      Reply
  31. Sam Auty says

    December 30, 2020 at 11:47 am

    Hi,
    Scottish Power have recorded a default against me and are not being helpful for my request to remove it, despite admitting an error to not setting the account up at the time the gas meter was installed.. They have asked me to depute it via Transunion. Would you suggest I do this?

    They fitted a gas meter in December 2019 in a rental property that I own, but it was only in October 2020 that I realised when my tenants moved in (it was previously unoccupied) that they did not set up my account. The account was therefore set up in October 2020 and the balance paid in full (£450) at the end of November 2020 to cover gas charges since Dec 2019. In November 2020, a default was recorded against me.

    I there believe this an error on their part because I was never more than 3 months in arrears. Am I correct?

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      December 30, 2020 at 4:43 pm

      I think you have a case.

      Telling you to take the dispute to TransUnion is absurd – they will just refer it to back to Scottish Power.

      Have you sent SP a formal complaint which has been rejected?

      Reply
      • Sam Auty says

        December 30, 2020 at 4:58 pm

        Many thanks, Sara.
        I’m glad you think I have a case. I also thought it was absurd to take the dispute to TransUnion.
        At the time of writing this morning, I had not sent SP a formal complaint. I now have, and I am awaiting a response. If they reject the complaint, please could you advise me where I could go next? Many thanks, Sam

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        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          December 30, 2020 at 5:02 pm

          if they reject your complaint, I suggest you first go to their CEO (keith.anderson@scottishpower.com)n and point out how unfair this is. But don’t do this now, wait for their response as you may want to quate some of that.

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          • Sam Auty says

            December 30, 2020 at 5:59 pm

            Many thanks, Sara. I will do exactly that and follow up on here.

  32. Amanda says

    January 1, 2021 at 12:00 pm

    Hello this is my first post here.
    I opened a catalogue credit account on 27/10/2014 which I ran into payment problems in June 2015. I missed 4 payments and then entered into a reduced payments arrangement of which they accepted. I kept to the agreement all the way through, when I made my last payment I asked if they would reinstate my normal payments as I was in a better financial position.
    This was the first I had heard that they sold the debt on to Lowell and I no longer owed them any money. The account was closed as settled because it was sold on.
    Anyway, I have received several letters from Lowell over the last few years regarding the amount I owed. The last letter I received they were asking for £1600 or they would apply a default, even though I only owed £1108 from the remaining amount.
    So, they applied a default for the amount of £1108 on December 2nd 2020.
    I asked them for a DSAR and I contacted the original creditors asking for the same. I received responses from both parties.
    I have just been updated that the default has been deleted from my credit file with equifax.
    Not with the other 2 yet.
    I guess my question is was it removed because it should not have been applied? Or are they going to change some information and it will reappear?
    My credit file showed 3 years of missed payments with Lowell and then the default.
    Help with some advice if possible please.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      January 1, 2021 at 12:22 pm

      Are you saying you repaid the full amount to the catalogue co? Have Lowell agreed you don’t owe any money?

      Reply
    • Amanda says

      January 1, 2021 at 9:00 pm

      Hi Sara,
      No to both questions. I Didn’t pay the full amount to the catalogue because once the payment arrangement was finished, they refused to take anymore money from me as the account was settled by Lowell who purchased the debt.

      The outstanding balance was £1108
      This was the default amount that Lowell placed on me in December.
      They’ve since removed/deleted the entry as of the 17th of December.

      I did receive a response from the original creditors stating that the account was not placed in default due to the fact it was sold on and that no outstanding amount was owed to them anymore.

      As for Lowell, they were wanting more than I originally owed.
      I believe going back to 2017 I did make 1 or 2 payments to Lowell then I stopped.

      Reply
    • Amanda says

      January 1, 2021 at 9:06 pm

      This is part of the letter I received from the catalogue company in response to my DSAR

      We took the decision to sell your account to Lowell as they are a company that specialise in interest free arrangements. We appreciate you were on a plan and had been paying, which we thank you for, however we felt that you would benefit from being with a company who specialise in debt solutions, rather than with us, as we are a retailer who offer credit.
      I’d like to apologise that you were unhappy with the way you were treated over this situation, having not been notified personally from ourselves. It was never our intention to cause any offence. The accounts that were selected to be sold were determined by the type of arrangement that was in place, and the outstanding balance.
      In relation to the account being defaulted, this was never the case. We sold the account with all the same terms and conditions you had with us. Your credit file would have shown you were in an arrangement and at this point we do not own the account or make any changes. If you have noticed any changes to the account since the sale you would need to raise this directly with Lowell.
      Outcome of your complaint
      As we never defaulted the account due to the fact you had been paying and a Debt Sale occurred, I can’t agree an error was made at this time and therefore I am unable to uphold your complaint.

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    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      January 2, 2021 at 12:26 pm

      How long was your payment arrangement with the catalogue?
      do you know the date the debt was sold to Lowell?

      There are three things wrong here.

      – it would be better if the catalogue company had defaulted you in 2015/16 – then the whole debt would drop off your credit file in 2021/22. Without a default it will stay for 6 years after the settlement date.
      – Even if the catalogue co will not add a default back then, there is a good case for lowell to add a default at the date they baought the debt. Especially if you paid thenm very little after this.
      – why has the balance gone up? Someone has been adding interest or charges which should not have happened.

      In these sort of tangled situations, it can be hard to know what to do to get the best result.

      I suggest that you should do two things now:

      1) send the catalogue co (who is it?) a complaint in writing asking them to add a default back in 2015/16 because you were making such a low payment amount. ask Lowell and ask them for a statement of the account from the start of 2015 onwards – this will clarify whether they added the interest and charges or Lowell did.

      2) send Lowell a request for a copy of the CCA agreement. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/ask-cca-agreement-for-debt/ for how to do this. Use the exact words on the template letter that post links to. NB you do NOT want to ask the original lender for this, just Lowell – you are hoping this cannot be found as then the debt is unenforceable in court.

      Reply
  33. Amanda says

    January 2, 2021 at 5:51 pm

    Hello Sara and thank you so much for your responses.

    The catalogue company was JD Williams/Simply be.
    The payment arrangement with JD Williams was for 6 months and the debt was sold to Lowell on the 16/03/2017.

    For 3.5 years straight, Lowell was registering the debt as missed payments with all 3 credit reference agencies, until 20/10/2020 when they put a Default on instead of missed payments.

    I obtained the CCA (photo copy) of which Lowell sent to me when I asked for a DSAR and it shows how much they paid for the debt and when it was purchased! Which was 16/03/2017.

    The JD williams account was opened 27/10/2014 however the CCA copy they sent me showed my Signature and dated 07/01/2015 by myself.

    I did ask JD to place a backdated Default but they’ve refused to as the debt was sold on and account was (according to them) settled.

    Can I actually upload copies of what I have on here?

    I know something is wrong with all this but I think I’m at an end as to what to do next.
    As I said in my first post, Lowell have now deleted the default from my equifax file but not the other 2.

    I really do appreciate all your help and advice.

    Thank you

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      January 2, 2021 at 9:01 pm

      So when Lowell bought the debt, how large was it?

      Reply
  34. Sam says

    January 2, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    Hello
    Can you please help,on 2015 I was abroad when my house mate used my details to get mobile contract for himself without me knowing about this. After I got back on 2016 and noticed someone been using both my identity and my bank card, when I tracked the payments from my bank card I found out who it was. I just didn’t raised complaint at a time to the provider because I realy didn’t want to put my house mate in trouble, and he agreed to payoff all the bills and the rest of the contract. At the end of contract I cancelled the contract. But the provider send me new bills for few months, I tried to communicate with them but in result they keep saying sorry at first and then send out new bill again. They passed my detailes to debt collector and they put default in my file. I even called the debt collector to pay off the debt and get the default removed but they said they won’t be able to take the default out!!!

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      January 3, 2021 at 7:45 am

      You can’t now argue the first contract wasn’t yours – you should have done that at the time.

      Did you cancel the contract in writing? Why does the mobile co (which us it?) say you didn’t?

      Reply
  35. Amanda says

    January 3, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    Lowell paid £812 for the debt on the 16/03/2017

    The amount I owed at the time was £1355.00

    I made the last payment to JD Williams for the sum of £50 on the 02/02/2017 which was the end of the payment arrangement (this I believe was then sent off to Lowell).
    I paid in total to Lowell £197 dated between Feb-June 2018 over 6 payments leaving the outstanding balance of £1108

    Reply
  36. Rosie says

    January 7, 2021 at 9:57 am

    I had a credit card with Aqua which defaulted with a balance of around £2.5k. This was sold to Cabot while a complaint to the FOS was ongoing re unaffordable credit limit increase. My complaint was partially upheld by the FOS resulting in the balance being reduced to approx. £1.4K. My current credit record shows that Cabot has recorded a default against this debt in Nov 2018. However they haven’t been in touch re the debt since then, therefore I haven’t been making payments. If I just leave this and assuming they don’t contact me, will the default / debt then disappear after 6 years ?

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      January 7, 2021 at 10:56 am

      The debt will drop off in November 2024.

      The chance of Cabot not contacting you about it is small though.
      When they do, you could ask them to produce the CCA agreement for the debt, see https://debtcamel.co.uk/ask-cca-agreement-for-debt/. Sometimes they can, some they can’t.

      Reply
      • Rosie says

        January 7, 2021 at 1:37 pm

        Thanks Sarah, on checking my Experian account today it states :
        Current Status : Default / Ended
        Account Settled : 01/11/18
        What does this mean ?

        Reply
        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          January 7, 2021 at 2:17 pm

          is that the Aqua debt? or the Cabot debt?

          Reply
          • Rosie says

            January 8, 2021 at 8:07 am

            It is the Cabot debt, Aqua debt no longer appears on report.

        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          January 8, 2021 at 11:10 am

          it looks to me as though Cabot sold the debt to another debt collector in November 2018.

          Reply
  37. Mo says

    January 9, 2021 at 2:45 pm

    Can I just clarify something please.
    1. my original creditors placed defaults on my accounts in 2012,
    2. I then go to a debt management charity and agree a plan and pay for 5 years until circumstances changed and I was no longer able to do so – part of this was my creditors were adding interest every month so I was basically standing still!
    3. I instruct consumer law barristers to act for me in 2018 and stop the dmp
    4. The debts had already been passed to debt collectors by 2018 and 2 defaults were placed on my accounts in 2018 and another 2020 – 3 separate accounts

    Is there anything I can do about this?

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      January 9, 2021 at 3:07 pm

      What does consumer law barristers say about this? You are paying them every month to help you? What are they actually doing, apart from making your credit record worse?
      How much are you paying them? Is any of this money going to your creditors?
      How large are your current debts?

      Reply
      • Mo says

        January 9, 2021 at 7:15 pm

        So I paid them for 12 months from January 2018, the deal was I only pay 12 months and they’ll complete for free if it takes longer. Reality is the debts are still there and they haven’t really done much I suppose apart from getting rid of some really historic ones. The ones that are left are with Lowell and link who are persistent despite being told by CLB that they are unenforceable – I’ve only seen letters. They add up to 10k over 4 debts. 3 of them placed new defaults on my account whilst I’ve been with CLB and not paying – I think the accounts were already in defaults when I signed up with CLB but I can’t be sure.
        I’m paying nothing towards the debt and none of the money I paid to CLB went to the debt.

        Reply
        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          January 9, 2021 at 9:31 pm

          Who was the original debt management firm you were with? Did you never get a credit report to see how it was going?

          Reply
          • Mo says

            January 9, 2021 at 10:33 pm

            I was with Stepchange and I had credit reports that showed defaults with all my credit from 2010 to 2017, my issue is that I believe new defaults have been issues when they were already in default

          • Sara (Debt Camel) says

            January 10, 2021 at 6:46 am

            If you have any old credit report showing a default, you can simply show it to the current creditor who has added a default and tell them to change the default date back to what it was… then the record will disappear from your credit reports. Take the complaint to the Ombudsman if they say No.

            If you don’t have an old report, then you need to ask the original creditor for details of when they added a default. If they say they didn’t, then you should ask them to add a default back then, and the current lender will have to do that. Again go to the Ombudsman if they say No.

            At the same time you should also ask the original creditor to refund the interest they added to your account while you were in a DMP. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/creditor-wont-freeze-interest/. This us what that firm of solicitors should really have helped you with… instead they charged a lot for sending out bog standard letters that you could have sent yourself for free (see https://debtcamel.co.uk/ask-cca-agreement-for-debt/).

  38. Farah says

    January 13, 2021 at 12:22 am

    My husband forced me to open a joint account.
    This defaulted by £560 just after we separated and he assurded me he was going to pay for it. When I found out about the default I started an arrangement My credit apart from that is perfect. Can I get this removed as I’m a single mother wanting a mortgage.

    Reply
    • Weatherman says

      January 13, 2021 at 9:01 pm

      Hi Farah

      If your husband forced you to open a joint account, then you might be able to, yes – banks should take financial abuse seriously, and many of them are signed up to a Code of Practice about this. The best thing to do is to speak to your local Citizens Advice, who can help you try to get the debt written off and the default removed.

      Reply
  39. Cazza says

    January 14, 2021 at 9:39 am

    I have a default registered from Onstride. At the time I was making an affordability case and they contacted me requesting more time.
    I chased and chased them until I finally managed to get through to someone who said that they had come tact me to say my case was closed with no action and my account was in arrears and a default had been added.
    I had received no correspondance or replies to my emails yet they insisted they were sent.
    I have since been chasing constantly as they have an issue with my file but I am getting no where.
    I don’t know what to do, they simply keep emailing saying there are technical problems with my account but it has been months.

    Reply
    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      January 14, 2021 at 10:38 am

      are they asking for payment?

      Reply
  40. Samuel Nwaotite says

    January 15, 2021 at 4:23 pm

    I moved house and where I moved BT was not able to continue their service. Due to this the contract had to be terminated. During this stressful moving house time, I became unwell and couldn’t work, and COVID 19 started so I had issues with childcare and getting the jobs done in the house to make it comfortable. I contacted BT when I felt better to make payment but was told my account was sent to creditors and I need to wait until the creditors contact me. As soon as I received a letter from the creditors, I rang them and made the payment immediately. I was shocked to see this default on my credit file and this is greatly affecting me and my family. I have contacted BT to remove this default. Do you think they can remove it? If they refuse what should I do next?

    Reply
    • Weatherman says

      January 15, 2021 at 9:31 pm

      Hi Samuel

      Unfortunately even though you repaid the debt, the default on your credit record will still be there for six years (although your credit record should also show that you repaid it). You’re not disputing that you owed the money, and none of the other scenarios in Sara’s post apply, so you’re not likely to be able to get it removed altogether.

      Your best option is probably to request a Notice of Correction, to explain why the debt occurred and you couldn’t pay it, and that you repaid it as soon as received a letter from the creditors (I assume you mean a company that BT sold the debt to): https://debtcamel.co.uk/notice-correction-credit-record/

      Reply
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