Everyone’s bankruptcy case is different. Here is L’s story. Few people will have the combination of a high income and high health costs that she had. But many will recognise the problem of consolidation loans not resolving their debt difficulties and have L’s worries about bankruptcy.
After years of struggling with debts and a chronic health condition, I applied for bankruptcy early in 2019.
I first started having migraines 15 years ago. In the beginning they were once every 2 months or so, then over the years they increased in frequency to about 14 to 16 a month. I have seen many specialists and there has been no cure despite media reports and well-meant suggestions from people.
I have tried many, many things to stop or reduce the migraines. Private headache specialists and physiotherapists were covered by private medical insurance through work. I even had botox injections through the NHS – each session meant 32 injections in my forehead, scalp, and shoulders.
But I had to pay for many medications, treatments and supplements myself and as my number one priority was being well enough to work fulltime and pay all my bills, it made sense at the time to spend £250-500 a month on my health.
My life and finances were heavily influenced by my health condition – restricted eating as food intolerances (dairy, wheat, tomatoes) were a migraine trigger, no alcohol as just one drink could make me feel ill the next day, and I had to live on my own as the noise and smells from other people can trigger a migraine or make an existing one worse. I couldn’t live far from work as a long commute whilst having a migraine was unbearable.
I had managed to pay off my student loans within 3 years of graduating, but trying to juggle my high health expenses alongside renting in London made it harder and harder to build up savings, so over time I relied more and more on credit cards and overdrafts.
At least twice I took out a personal loan to consolidate my debts and reduce my overall interest rates and repayment amounts, most of the time I would close the cleared credit card or overdraft account, but a couple of times I didn’t. That was a mistake – I learned the hard way that it was too tempting for me to use such credit accounts again.
Would bankruptcy or an IVA affect my job?
In 2016, I ran some numbers and realised it would take 8 years to repay my total debts of around £50,000 whilst maintaining my monthly repayments of then £900 a month – and with no savings funds throughout that time. At that point I started to research debt options including IVAs and bankruptcies.
I worked in financial services, and my employer’s HR department would not confirm whether or not my going bankrupt or getting an IVA would affect my employment. There were rules and processes that we always had to report details of our assets and our creditors, but there was nothing written down about bankruptcy or IVAs. Repeated e-mails, phone-calls, and face to face meetings with HR people, including HR managers, yielded no answers. With this lack of clarity, I decided I couldn’t risk going bankrupt whilst in that job.
I had already trimmed my living expenses as well as I could, so I instead I did another consolidation loan and got my repayments down to £750 a month.
I was quite leery of IVAs. Firstly, any negative change in my finances during the IVA period could result in the IVA failing. Secondly, the IVA arranger would charge a fee of around £5-7,000, which I would have to pay, on top of whatever portion of my total debts I would have to repay. Thirdly, I was not a company director or a partner or a business owner, so the negative impact of going personally bankrupt would be less onerous for me. Lastly, I read a lot of personal finance articles and blogs, and there were stories of fraudulent IVA and debt management plan companies who siphoned off the money that was supposed to be sent to creditors. I was not willing to take such a risk.
Eventually I moved to another employer, still in financial services, on a part-time basis of about 3.5 days a week, hoping this would help with my health and juggling health and work. But this meant a lower salary, with my calculated timeframe to repay my total debts now at 10 years.
Weeks after joining, my mere mention to my manager that I was considering going bankrupt triggered some embarrassing moments, from my manager saying she needed to speak to the Head of the Department, to my being told to enter more details of my finances into the computer records, and receiving advice from the manager on my finances. With this employer, my observation was that it would definitely be risky to apply for bankruptcy.
Instead I tried to focus on just work, and just health. I cut down on my social interactions – there was no time to visit friends when my priority was work and rest as migraines are exhausting. My work was very dependent on Brexit so the added stress from that was crazy.
Stopping work
At the start of 2018, the stress from work, and my health, and worrying about my current and future finances, resulted in my having strong suicidal feelings. Fortunately I was able to immediately call NHS 111 and my father. I had several sessions with a psychiatrist and a counsellor a GP recommended over the next few months, all covered by private medical insurance.
But it became very clear that for my mental and physical health I needed to stop working completely. For years I had prided myself on being able to work and being financially independent whilst having so many migraines each month. Two neurologists had told me they had never seen anyone hold down a job with the frequency of migraines I was having. So it was a very painful decision to stop working and apply for employment and support allowance, and housing benefit, having never applied for any government benefits before then.
Thinking about going bankrupt
Being unemployed made the decision to go bankrupt easier in some ways. Firstly, no job so there was no risk of being fired or chased out of work as a result. Secondly, no job so no income, so it was clear I could not afford the debt repayments. From my reading I knew that as I had no realisable assets (no property, no savings, no car), none of my possessions would be sold. Being decades from retirement, my existing pension funds would not be affected by a bankruptcy.
But the weight of depression, anxiety, and disappointment with myself at having so much debt, and having to stop work, meant I struggled to do the bankruptcy application for months.
I read articles on Debt Camel, Citizens Advice, StepChange and the gov.uk pages on bankruptcy. I had a bankruptcy spreadsheet with budgets, action lists and useful website links. I filed documents in date order and checked all my creditors’ reference numbers and addresses.
My one bank account had no overdraft or any other credit attached to it, so I met with the bank manager to discuss how going bankrupt would affect it. They said given I didn’t owe them any money, they would only close the account if the OR asked them to. I would be able to keep using my existing debit card, online banking facilities, etc as normal. It was a bit of a gamble, but I chose to not open another bank account before applying for bankruptcy – if the account did end up closed, once declared bankrupt I could just open a basic bank account elsewhere.
When I stopped working my debt was about £35,000. I made sure to stay up to date on my priority bills; rent, electricity, water, and council tax so they would not be included in a bankruptcy application. I also switched from a pay monthly mobile plan to pay as you go so that would be one less direct debit to deal with.
I had first notified my creditors in mid 2018 of my health conditions (depression, anxiety, and migraines), that I would be stopping work in the next month, I would not be able to make any repayments (not even a token £1 payment as two creditors suggested), and that I would be filing for bankruptcy in the forthcoming months.
Every creditor appeared understanding and they made notes in my files to only contact me if necessary and by letter because of my mental health. I did receive calls from one creditor but it was much more of a request for updates rather than asking / pressuring for repayments, and that was every 60 days or so.
Going bankrupt
When I finally did the bankruptcy application, I had all the relevant documents, e-mails, and budget figures next to me, so it only took me three hours to complete it in one go whilst triple-checking my answers.
I was extremely fortunate that my family gave me the money to pay the £680 fee, as I could not have paid it from benefits, and did not have the time or energy to apply to the charities that said they offered help for paying bankruptcy fees, and then wait to see if they would help or not.
I paid the bankruptcy fee and submitted my application just before noon on a Wednesday, timing it to be a different week from when I usually received benefits payments. I took out £100 in cash from my bank account, leaving just £20 in it.
Two days later on Friday, I received an e-mail at 10.30am that I had been declared bankrupt, with attached documents, one of which was my bankruptcy certificate. Around noon I got a phone call from my appointed Official Receiver (OR) to schedule a one hour telephone interview, and we agreed to do it at 2pm that same day, as I had all paperwork at hand.
It was one of the most facts-based interviews of my life, but only took 45 minutes. I cried a couple of times from feeling emotional, but not because of the OR. He was focused on dates, names of creditors, timeline of the debts, reason for taking out each debt and what the money was used for, whether any creditors had received preferential repayments in the last 2 years, whether I had taken out new credit in the last 2 years. There was zero judgement or criticism or patronising or anything negative from him. I told him about my conversation with my bank and that I would like to keep that account open.
The OR said I would not have to make any income repayments based on my current circumstances and I should update him if they changed. He also confirmed I would not have to pay any council tax for the rest of the council tax year, and said I should write to my local council saying so, which I did.
I was asked to post or e-mail in copies of recent 12 months of my bank statements, copies of my pension fund statements, and a copy of my tenancy agreement within a reasonable time frame, which I did.
A mix of emotions
Since being declared bankrupt I have had a mix of emotions: relief from feeling free of the debts, embarrassment and anxiety from googling my not common name and having the bankruptcy details come up, excitement and fear about my future.
My bank account wasn’t closed which was very helpful. My landlord, electricity provider, and internet provider have had no issues with my being bankrupt as I have kept up to date with payments.
I have a few months to go from being discharged from bankruptcy. I haven’t applied for any credit and don’t plan on doing so in future.
Ironically one creditor included in the bankruptcy began sending me arrears letters weeks after I was declared bankrupt. They were standard letters but given the timing and frequency, and their ignoring a letter from the OR and phone calls from myself, I wrote a complaint to them, which is currently under investigation.
Do your research & be realistic
If anyone reading this is considering bankruptcy, I would say do a lot of research and plan ahead. I used DebtCamel extensively.
I would also say be careful of what you read on the internet – consider the potential biases of the author. For example websites that suggest or imply a bankruptcy is never a good idea but an IVA is a great one – there are firms that make money by arranging an IVA, but no firms make money by arranging a personal bankruptcy.
Also consider the qualifications and experience of the author – some people suggested online that the OR would go through 6 years of my bank statements, that my electricity provider would refuse to keep supplying me, that my internet provider would refuse to keep supplying me. None of that turned out to be true.
I also noticed that some debt advice charities are very biased towards debt management plans over bankruptcies, even when the repayment amounts are ridiculously low. For example, a token repayment of £1 or £5 a month on a £10,000 debt over more than 2 years is just dragging out the debt and the stress from it.
Sometimes a person has to make a realistic assessment of if they can repay their debt within a set timeframe whilst not taking on additional credit or having no savings funds, not just hope it will somehow resolve itself over the next decade or more.
I hope L’s account may help to dispel a few myths. It’s easy for a debt adviser to say that going bankrupt is usually a lot less painful and difficult than people fear, but it’s good to hear a real person’s experience.
I’ll just add a few comments:
- bankruptcy is usually better than an IVA for someone with no assets, but “fraudulent IVAs” aren’t something to worry about;
- L was anxious to not have arrears of council tax or utilities. Actually these aren’t a problem at all in bankruptcy;
- L was very well-organised! But Official Receivers are used to talking to people who don’t have all their paperwork to hand and neatly sorted.
It is always worth talking to a debt adviser about your decision to go bankrupt, even if you are sure it is your best option. Call National Debtline on 0808 808 4000 for advice.
Warwick65 says
Great story which shows how for many BR may be the best option as opposed to an IVA or a lifetime of token payments.
Chris Bone says
The process of going bankrupt has been made a lot easier – no trudging along to court with 3 sets of paperwork to wait and see a District Judge who in reality had other things to do. And the on line submission is quite user friendly and a lot of free advice organisations can help with or oversee the process. The fee can be daunting admittedly and it is harder to get grant organisations to provide it now in truth, but often former employers eg Bankworkers Charity, Armed Forces, Civil Service etc can assist .
There is no stigma to going bankrupt and it is not a punishment in any way shape or form – it actually is a very good strategy for ending debt anguish WHERE the circumstances are right and FULL ADVICE should be taken before making the final decision to ensure it is the best option. But if brings finality quickly and that is a key advantage of it.
Tony Townsend says
Glad to read that “L” is emerging from a very traumatic period in her life, onward and upward…
I wonder if “L”‘s decision to repay all of her Student Loan debt within three years of graduating caused her debt crisis?
I have three children born ’86, ’88, and ’96 all University graduates to Master’s level, three different sets of rules for repayment of their Student Loans. I have advised them to treat Student Loan Debt as a “Graduate Tax” and only to pay what their respective Contracts require. I believe that ongoing Student Loan Debt is not an impediment to obtaining credit.
Have I given them poor advice??
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I think your advice is often sensible. The exception tends to be if someone is a high earner, so they are currently paying a high rate of interest on the student loans AND they are very likely to repay all their loans – in that case it can make sense to repay them.
L’s student loans are likely to have been much smaller. She has had increasing debt problems for many years after repaying them. I very much doubt repaying the student loans is relevant. I suspect she mentioned them in her story to demonstrate how her natural instincts were to repay her debts.
Nick says
Very interesting story.
Working in financial services, as the author does, can make this a harder decision if you need to be an FCA “approved person” e.g. because you are an adviser or director. A bankruptcy has to be disclosed to FCA and employer and while not an absolute rule it could well lead to problems maintaining approved person status pending discharge, and it may be the same in some other jobs. An IVA must also be disclosed.
Some years ago I found myself in a similar situation (fortunately without the health issues) and although bankruptcy would have made financial sense, I also work in financial services, so instead I put my creditors on hold for a year or two and then settled with them for about 35% of my debts. Doing this does not have to be disclosed.
AD says
Glad to hear that L is now moving on from a traumatic period in her life.
However – just because she L not subject to the OR’s detailed examination of historic bank statements does not mean that it won’t happen. Every bankruptcy is different.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
True. But an OR needs a reason to think there is a point in a detailed examination of years of bank statements, or they won’t waste much time on it. This doesn’t happen for most people.
david t says
really silly point, but do Bankruptcies get announced in media / papers anywhere? I’m sure they used to. why would they do that, is it to repel people from doing it? this is what has always put me off from doing it or even contemplating it.
over the past few years I’ve had plenty of wins with massive thanks to this site, but still find myself in debt of around £15k. i’m currently paying around 12 separate companies, whether direct or via debt collectors £6 per month. the only commitment I pay in full is a car HP Finance deal which runs till 2022. I calculate the worst of the accounts would take 9 years to repay at this rate, however have already been down the DMP with StepChange who I found to be rather unhelpful and on many occasions made errors, hence why I do it direct myself now.
any advice appreciated.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
All insolvencies, not just bankruptcy but DROs and IVAs, are on the Insolvency Register which is publically searchable online. BAnkruptcy is published in the London Gazette. It used to be published ina local paper but that is now very rare, only being done for small businesses where there may be local creditors owed money.
How old are the accounts which you have payments arrangements for? Not when did you default, but when did you open the credit cards or loans?
Do you have any more affordability complaints in progress?
What is the interest rate on your car finance?
david t says
Some of my accounts date back around 5 years, some more recent but none taken out in the last 2 years or so now. note I have only encountered problems within the last 2 years, so even on the older ones the accounts have only become strained in the last 2 years.
my car finance is quite high, I got it through Zuto, I borrowed £7.5k and due to pay a total of approx. £13.5k over 4 years, taken out in June 2018. its £281 per month but as it is the only car in the household and we need it for work, I treat it as a priority and have never missed a payment on it to date.
I have one final affordability complaint with Loans2go from an old logbook loan but I only submitted it to FOS well after 6 months, as yet i’m awaiting a response. even if it was accepted and successful, it would be around £1k refund.
i’m in a strange situation really, because the plans I have in place make living comfortable, it is just the length of time it will take to clear them.
david t says
any feedback on this please? :)
Martin says
I went voluntary into bankruptcy with £33,000 of debt. I live in a social housing complex for over 55’s. £5500 of the debt was a joint overdraft with my wife. She got a DRO which finishes in July. My bankruptcy finished in January 2020. All of your advice which I read avidly on the ‘debt camel’ was brilliant. The office of the receiver was also good, very in depth interview and follow ups for ‘proof’ of various things but apart from a few tears and having to get basic bank accounts ,no real terrible problems. So thank you Sara. I have a question though please if you can. I managed to continue to pay ‘essentials’ rent, electricity, council tax, food etc all through the 12 month period before ‘discharge.’ I never told the council about bankruptcy ,is there any point telling them now as one article stated that council tax could be reduced or deferred ?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
So you went bankrupt in January 2019. At that point did you owe any council tax or were you up to date?
Martin says
HI Sara. No I was up to date with council tax ,rent ,electric , telephone, TV package including WIFI . My debts were nearly all loans, credit cards and a huge overdraft.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
The council tax year ends at the start of April. The only payments you could query are those frome after you went bankrupt to the start of April yhat year. So 2 or 3 months. And even then your wife would then become liable for these, and I am guessing she didn’t list them on her DRO?
I doubt you will get anywhere with this.
Martin says
Hi Sara , Many thanks for the reply. I’ll put it out of my mind now. Your right my wife did not include it for the DRO . Once again much appreciated for your advice. Debt Camel is so informative ,following all of the articles on ‘debt’ helped me navigate through my debt story to a happier conclusion than an IVA that Stephanie were trying to push me towards, glad I chose bankruptcy. Stephanie were very good with my wife though forwarding the DRO etc. Thanks again Sara. Kind Regards Martin
Martin says
Update from me regarding my bankruptcy and my wife’s DRO. From being declared bankrupt in Jan 2019 till now I can say that I / we are still on top of all our outgoings and we owe nothing at all. We live within our means and have done so since bankruptcy. Recently we have applied for and was successful to rent another social housing apartment with a different housing provider. Even when we were interviewed there was zero negatives encountered. Once again thanks to Debt Camel and you Sara our lives are great now ! Just want to share this update with you .Regards Martin
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Very good to hear this!
Tanya says
My sister payed 7000 for DRO to go bankrupt, is that too much to pay ?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I think you may have misunderstood what your sister did. A DRO cost £90. Could she have had an IVA?