The Ministry of Justice is consulting on the current processes in which someone has a judgment made against them without their knowledge.
Finding a CCJ you knew nothing about on your credit record is a very unfair situation. People may only find out about a CCJ at an old address when their mortgage or other credit application is declined, or they fail a tenancy check.
Here are some of the points I made when replying to that consultation, but in this article I want to make the point that finding an unknown default on a credit record is often just as bad news as an unknown CCJ – so this situation too needs to be tackled.
When do unknown defaults occur
Many unexpected CCJs also have a related default on someone’s credit record: not parking tickets, but debts such as mobile and utility bills and consumer credit debts. And often there is no CCJ yet, just the default.
Sometimes these are very small amounts of money: someone thinks they have settled their old mobile account when they get a new contract from a different provider but there is one month more to pay; or a similar situation when someone moves house and there is a final bill from a water or energy company.
Often the texts about the unpaid bill go to the old phone number, or the letters to the old address, so the customer hs no idea.
I could quote dozens of readers’ comments on this topic, but is just one example:
I applied for a mortgage a few weeks ago, although I had the top score from Experian, it got rejected at underwriting. I was not a member of Equifax and Call Credit, nor heard about these two, so immediately got my credit reports from these two companies. I found out there was a BT bill from 4 years ago for about £61 that was marked as a ‘defaulted’ credit agreement. I was not aware at all of this BT bill as such. I suspect this bill that they sent fell to a period when I moved flats, therefore, it was not forwarded to me.
These defaults can result in someone getting turned down for a mortgage or other credit in just the same way that a CCJ can. So there is no point in only tackling the CCJs, unfair defaults also need to be removed.
Credit records should be both accurate and fair
If someone asks for a default to be removed, they are often told by the creditor that this can’t be done because credit records have to be accurate.
But what is accurate? The point of a credit record is to show how well someone has handled credit. If someone finds out three years later that they owed a small amount on a gas bill from a previous residence and then they pay that straight away, removing the default will give a better picture of that customer’s finances than leaving the default in place will.
Often the customer will have a nearly clean credit record except for this one problem – they have paid all their other bills and debts on time, so what is the chance that they deliberately decided not to pay a small old bill deliberately? About zero. So why is it accurate that a default should be recorded? It certainly isn’t fair. And it doesn’t seem helpful to other creditors wanting to make good lending assessments.
Do the SCOR rules need to be updated?
I suggest that creditors should listen when a customer says they had no idea that they owed that money and that they have paid as soon as they realised they did. If they had always paid on time previously, they had moved house and generally have a healthy credit report, then the facts support what they are saying. So treat them reasonably and delete the default in this situation.
I think this is the fair thing to so, so it is not out of line with the SCOR rules on credit reporting, where Principle 1 says Data that is reported on your credit file must be fair, accurate, consistent, complete and up to date.
If the SCOR forum feels it is out of line with the current rules, then I think they should consider updating the rules to clarify that this sort of correction is reasonable.
If changes are made to handling CCJs but not to defaults
If default reporting isn’t changed so these unknown defaults can be promptly removed, then amending court processes so that default CCJs can be removed will only be useful for debts which aren’t on credit records, such as parking tickets.
A situation in which a CCJ for a water bill or mobile bill is removed if the debt is repaid but the default on the underlying debt still remains doesn’t seem sensible.
David Selbow says
I suppose that in these connected times, people are more easy to find and notify. This was most definitely not the case when the law in question were written up. I wonder if this review is anything to do with that?
Faith Gais says
Hey Sara,
Happy Belated New Year!
Can you just shed light on whether a default can be applied for someone who has entered in to a DMP?
Furthermore, what is the process by which this should be done by the creditor. Do they have to issue a notice within a set time frame? If they haven’t does this mean the default may not stand.
Thanks
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Yes a debt can be defaulted if you are in a DMP. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/dmp-credit-rating/. Unless your DMP will be very temporary or finished in just a few years it is usually better to have a default than an arrangement to may, as the default will drop off after 6 years but an AP will stay on your credit record for 6 years from the date the debt is settled, which could be a LOT longer.
A lender does not have to issue any notice before adding a default to a credit record. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/debt-default-date/.
Ken says
I had some treatment through Private Healthcare with my employer and then moved address. My employer around the same time changed healthcare provider so when the old one got the bill they refused to pay, but didn’t pass the details on to the new provider. The private hospital where I’d had treatment sent the bill in my name to my old address so I didn’t receive anything or I would have sorted it through my employer. I received a phone call from someone asking if it was me and I said yes, and they said they were a debt collector to which I replied “whatever” and hung up, as I was certain I had no debt. That has been counted as me being made aware of the debt and a CCJ was issued in May 2018. I’d been at my new address since July 2017.
First I knew was in October 2018 when I had a bailiffs letter on my doormat at my new address. I called them and within 2 weeks the debt was paid by my healthcare, and my employer agreed to pay the additional costs as they agreed I wasn’t at fault. The CCJ stands as it was over a month after it was issued that I knew about it and I was told there was nothing I could do.
This has now affected a mortgage application through no fault of my own, and for a debt that wasn’t even owed by me. Is there a way for me to have the CCJ removed at this late stage? I can show evidence that the debt was paid by the healthcare provider and my employer paid costs.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
This situation is very annoying. As the article above says, the Ministry of Justice started a consultation on this in December 2017. But nothing has happened.
Who was the creditor for the CCJ?