What help can you get if you can’t pay your important bills and debts?
in March 2023, it has been a hard winter for millions. And many bills are increasing in April.
If you don’t think you can manage to pay everything, this article looks at your options for priority and nonpriority debts. And how to get help, with debts and with benefits.
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Get a budget & know what is top priority
When there isn’t enough money to pay for everything, you have to make choices.
It’s important to know what must be paid first and in full, even though this leaves not enough to pay other debts. See What debts and bills are top priority? for a list of priorities and non-priorities.
Paying your rent/mortgage, car finance, food, clothes and heating may leave little or nothing for unsecured loans, credit cards or catalogues. This may sound alarming, but non-priority creditors know that they are bottom of the list and that priority bills have to be paid in full.
Try this online budgeting tool from National Debtline. Even if your income or expenses are changing, this will still help:
- it lists expenses so you don’t forget something;
- it converts everything to monthly amounts;
- it works out which debts and bills are most important;
- it shows how to divide up the money you have;
- you can download it to show creditors or a debt adviser. This can save you from having to explain your budget on the phone to lots of different people.
Priority bills and debts
Energy bills – will your supplier help?
Energy bills more than doubled in 2022. Although by 2024 they have come down a bit, they are still a lot higher than they were a few years ago. The government’s extra “cost of living” help is ending – from April 2024, there won’t be any extra “cost of living” payments to help.
If you already have arrears, Ofgem says:
Suppliers must work with you to agree on a payment plan you can afford under Ofgem rules. This includes reviewing a plan you have agreed before.
Talk to your supplier and ask if you can pay arrears over a longer period. It’s important to say if people in your household have health problems. If you are having deductions through a prepayment meter for existing debts, ask if the deductions can be reduced or halted.
The British Gas Energy Trust supports all energy customers on prepayment meters no matter who your supplier is. They can make grants.
The following energy companies offer help to their customers in difficulty:
- E.ON Energy Fund
- EDF Energy Customer Support Fund
- Scottish Power Hardship Fund
- Ovo Debt and energy assistance
- Octopus (including previous Bulb customers).
If your supplier wants you to pay more than you can afford to arrears, talk to your local Citizens Advice about how to complain and what your options are. Citizens Advice may also be able to give you a Fuel Voucher if you have a prepayment meter.
Energy bills – how should you pay them? What sort of meter?
If you think the direct debit amount is wrong, you should challenge this. Direct debit makes budgeting easier by paying the same amount throughout the year, so it’s worth trying to get this set at the right amount;
If you are in arrears on your bills, your supplier may want you to get a prepayment meter. Would this make it easier to budget? Probably not as they make it harder to manage the cold winter months, see Should I ask for a prepayment meter?
If you want to try to avoid having to have a prepayment meter:
- here are 9 practical steps you can take that may help;
- you should probably also avoid getting a smart meter as your supplier can just switch that to work as a prepayment meter without you agreeing!
Rent and Mortgage
Universal Credit can get you some help with the cost of renting. SMI gives some help with mortgage costs through UC but it doesn’t start until you have been on UC for 13 weeks.
See What help is there when you can’t pay the mortgage? for the support lenders should give you if you are struggling and what you should ask for. There is a lot of help available but many lenders don’t list this on their website – you have to phone up and ask what your options are.
Also read Can I get a new mortgage fix with poor credit? if you are worried about this. This won’t be a problem with more than 90% of lenders have signed the 2023 Mortgage Charter.
Get help as soon as possible. If you are worried about your mortgage or your rent, you have an eviction notice from your landlord or threatening letters from your mortgage lender, talk to your local Citizens Advice.
Council Tax
Council tax may feel less important than some other priority debts. If you have to choose between paying the rent and paying the council tax, the rent comes first! As does feeding the children and heating the house.
But councils are very fast to take action if you ignore council tax debt. They get through the legal processes much faster than other creditors and use bailiffs more often.
What to do if you have problems paying Council Tax looks at all your options here.
If those options will still you in arrears, talk to your local Citizens Advice. They can also help you with a Section 13A application for council tax reduction if your finances are so difficult you have a “negative budget”, that is when you don’t have enough money to pay your priority bills and essential expenses even if you pay nothing to your debts.
Water bills
Water companies can offer payment breaks, extended payment plans and schemes that can reduce the amount you have to pay if you are on a low income. Contact your water company and see what help there is.
A water meter may save you money. More details on this and cheaper tariffs you may be able to get if you are on a low income in How to cut your water bills. If your surface water doesn’t go into the sewers, you may be able to get a discount – ask your water supplier.
Car finance
You can ask the lender for a payment arrangement on car finance. But this is a priority debt and your car is at risk if you can’t pay it in full.
See Can you afford your car finance? for details of your options. Even if you want to keep your car you need to know about your right to end a car finance contract early. And you may be able to make an affordability complaint.
If you aren’t sure about what the best option for you is, talk to National Debtline.
Millions can get broadband costs reduced
If you are on Universal Credit, Pension Credit, ESA or some other benefits, you may be able to get cheaper phone or broadband. See the range of Social Tariffs that you may be able to switch to.
Ofcom says 4.2 million households could halve their broadband bills by taking up these special discounted packages. But so far only 55,000 have signed up.
Deductions from Universal Credit
Deductions from Universal Credit for other debts can be very high leaving you with not enough to live on. Sometimes you can ask for this to be reduced. Your local Citizens Advice can help with this.
Cards, catalogues, unsecured loans, overdrafts – the non-priority debts
FCA’s rules say customers who can’t make payments should be treated “with forbearance and due consideration” by lenders and debt collectors.
For unsecured debts like loans, credit cards, catalogues and overdrafts, this means lenders must consider taking lower payments and freezing interest.
“Consider” may sound vague – you may be worried your lender won’t be helpful.
But most banks, credit cards and other lenders do stop adding interest when asked. Especially if you explain that you have priority bills and debts to pay – your rent/mortgage, council tax, utilities.
Lenders know you don’t have much money and that paying the rent and feeding the kids has to come first. And if they don’t freeze interest you can complain you aren’t being treated fairly and go to the Financial Ombudsman.
So how can you get this help?
1) ask the lenders yourself
For unsecured debts such as credit cards, catalogues, loans, payday loans and overdrafts you can ask the lenders and debt collectors for a payment arrangement. Also ask for the interest and charges to be stopped, so your debts don’t get worse.
The online budgeting tool linked to above can tell you how much to offer to each lender.
Payment arrangements do affect your credit record, so you should only ask for one if you need it. If you aren’t sure, talk to a debt adviser so you can find out all your options and the pros and cons. of each.
2) look at a Debt Management Plan
StepChange operates debt management plans (DMPs) for hundreds of thousands of people. You make one affordable payment to StepChange each month and they divide it between your non-priority debts. There are no fees charged. And interest and charges are almost always stopped.
DMPs are good options if your situation may change because they are flexible. If you get a good job then you can repay the debts much faster. If things get worse, you can pay less or change to a form of insolvency.
Don’t go to any firm that charges for a debt management plan. Even if you think they are nice and friendly, you can get exactly the same plan with no fees from StepChange. Why pay money in fees for no benefit?
3) other debt options – token payments, insolvency
If a DMP isn’t right for you, a good debt adviser can advise on your better options, such as token payments, a debt relief order or bankruptcy.
As a rule of thumb, when your situation may improve a lot in the next year it is usually better to avoid insolvency as you may not need it:
- you can’t go back from bankruptcy, a DRO or an IVA to just paying off your debts as normal;
- in an IVA you can end up paying more than your debts if your situation improves.
And if your situation may get worse, you should avoid an IVA:
- more than 30% of IVAs fail – a failed IVA leaves you back with all your debts after a lot of stress;
- bankruptcy never fails and DROs fail less than 1% of the time.
In particular, if you expect your mortgage or rent to get up over the next few years, you should not start an IVA unless you can get a clause included in the IVA that says that your monthly payments will be reduced when your mortgage/rent increases.
Debt advisers can explain your options and their pros and cons.
Already have a debt solution in place but now can’t afford it?
Payment arrangements and Debt Management Plans (DMPs)
If you are struggling to pay energy bills or other priority debts, you should reduce the amount you are paying to debt collectors and DMPs. DMPs are informal, flexible arrangements – they can be changed.
So talk to your DMP firm and ask to make lower payments or have a payment break.
The same applies if you have made a payment arrangement with a creditor yourself. Ask for it to be reduced, to zero if necessary, and tell the creditor if you have priority debts. If the creditor doesn’t agree, talk to a debt adviser about your options.
But if your problem is going to last a while, it’s a good idea to talk to a debt adviser about your insolvency options.
Insolvency – IVAs, bankruptcy, DAS & trust deeds
If you are bankrupt and paying an IPA, tell the Trustee in Bankruptcy that is handling your IPA that you are in difficulty and the IPA will be reduced, to zero if necessary. It won’t extend the length of the IPA – that can’t be more than 3 years.
If you can’t afford your IVA now because prices have gone up, ask your IVA firm to reduce your monthly payments or even complete your IVA.
But if you are renting, another option may be to fail your IVA and have a DRO instead. The DRO rules are changing in 2024, so you may now qualify for one even if you didn’t at the start of your IVA – for example the maximum debt limit is being increased to £50,000.
For DAS & Protected Trust Deeds (Scotland), see Can’t Pay Trust Deed or DAS? by a Scottish adviser.
Where to get help with debts
If this is confusing or you can’t decide what to do or you are too worried to talk to your creditors, debt advice can help.
You only need to talk to one debt adviser. Here is how to choose who to contact:
- if you have priority debts and bills which are a problem, talk to your local Citizens Advice or another local advice agency.
- if your problem is urgent and you can’t get an appointment with Citizens Advice quickly, phone National Debtline on 0808 808 4000 or use the National Debtline webchat.
- if you have some money to pay to debts talk to StepChange on 0800 138 1111.
- if you have little or no money for debts, talk to National Debtline about your options.
- if you are self-employed or have a small limited company, talk to Business Debtline.
Be careful. Some commercial firms trying to sell you an IVA use names that sound a lot like these good debt advisers. Make sure you are talking to the real thing!
Help from benefits
Websites such as Turn2Us can show you what you might be able to claim. Use this calculator even if you think you are already claiming everything you can, it is worth making sure.
If a benefit calculator suggests you would be better off claiming Universal Credit (UC) and you currently get tax credits or housing benefit, be careful. These benefits end when you claim UC and you can’t go back to claiming them.
I suggest you talk to your local Citizens Advice. They can do a “what if” calculation to double-check that switching to UC is the best option for you.
There may be other help you can get that doesn’t show up through a benefits calculator as it is “discretionary” – not everyone who applies will get it. Most of this comes from your local council, so looking on their website is a good start.
Some examples:
- a Discretionary Housing Payment (DHP) from your council may help when your benefits don’t cover your full rent. Or you are being hit by the benefit cap or bedroom tax.
- Some councils have extra help with Council Tax, in addition to Council Tax Support. This may be called something like Discretionary Council Tax Support Hardship Payment.
- Councils have been given more money for a Household Support Scheme for 6 months from April 2024. They may also have an Emergency Support Scheme that often gives out vouchers for food or fuel rather than cash.
Your local Citizens Advice can say if you may be able to get one of these payments and help you apply.
Can you really offer just £1 to a debt?
Could a Debt Relief order help you?
Will a prepayment meter help you budget?
Nabeel says
Hi Sara
hope you well and in good health, i really need help im really stressed in depression due to this pandemic situation which have destroyed my life and family kids, i am self employed since the start of this pandemic march 2020 i had less work no work at times was struggling with bills mortgage i had 6 months holiday on mortgage then i asked for more few months i was refused so i was told to pay half every month. i was in arrears with mortgage £1200 i missed my full monthly pay 1st time ever so its gone to £1,700 arrears i asked my mortgage to add this arrears in to my balance so i can start fresh monthly payment they refused now i am worried about the house, if i sell it i wont get mortgage as i have poor credit, im in arrears with gas/elec £1,800 council tax £2,600. my partner works she helps money just disappears she not happy gave me 2 months deadline to leave me have 2 kids under 10 they been unhappy because cant afford to buy them anything don’t have any family support. council tax wont help because they say my partner earn enough to pay there tax what about the family kids need we get universal credit add child pay all sorts then they deduct and pay what we cant even survive 3 weeks. please do get back to me.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I think you need help from a debt adviser. I suggest you talk to your local Citizens Advice about your mortgage, your council tax (ask if they can help you apply for a “Section 13A reduction”, see https://debtcamel.co.uk/section-13a-council-tax-write-off/), benefits and all your other financial problems.
Suzzyjen says
I just wanted to note that my council advised me to pay the council tax first.It only takes them 3 weeks to move to court action and scary letters.I was able to pay rent and bit of arrears until I caught up.Always better to speak to the council or your landlord in the early, the problem does not go away.
They were very helpful and I got a discretionary amount to help with council tax so I only pay 43 a month.I am back on track and more importantly I sleep easy.I am applying for new jobs to help me as my income is just too low.
Anon says
Can I ask about Motability cars? The terms and conditions of the agreement state the car can be recalled if made bankrupt or enter in to some sort of debt repayments ( wording vague as no access to document right now).
Presume this must be because leasehold and do credit checks but you’d think given this can’t be taken by creditors, and by definition it’s an essential item , Motability would be more generous than the wording? Its a straightforward direct deduction from PIP or DLA benefit so bypassing the individual.
Have you come across this as a barrier to debt advice ? When I spoke with the contact cte for one of the debt charities they just said it wouldn’t happen. Be interested in anyone else’s experience of going bankrupt or DRO and if it affected their Motability or their clients.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Motability cars are not uncommon with Debt Relief Orders and bankruptcy.
I have never heard of anyone having a Motability car repossessed if you are up to date with payments – which you are if it is being paid by direct deduction.
Yvette Taylor says
Tell Creditors via Civil Court situation. Might accept Administration Order that’s paid at a certain date of the month. Then split between all Creditors.
Show proof of Mobility Benefits to confirm agreement.
To gain a car, ask both Benefits Agency’& Motorbility if you can get a car if Disability is serious enough. Be aware that ‘They’ scrutinise every detail before any action. So don’t cheat Them.
The Tax Payey’s paying for it. Insurance/Tax is paid for. The car’s adapted to Your condition. Every 3 years you change the car. Service is done during that time. If you go over, you pay for everything to look after it.. In otherwords, look after it. All you pay for is fuel.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
An administration order is irrelevant if someone qualifies for a DRO. AOs are incredibly rare now, most debt advisers haven’t done one for more than 10 years.
You can get a Motability car if you meet the following criteria: https://www.motability.co.uk/how-it-works/allowances/
Julia says
I work for a lender and agree 100%. My experience is that creditors will do their best to help, but we can only do that if we know your situation. If you just don’t pay a non-priority debt, we start chasing – we don’t want to do that if you’re having problems. Creditors will likely ask you for full details on your situation. We’re not trying to catch you out or embarrass you, we need it so we know how best to help. A budget sheet is very useful here, particularly if you have a few creditors, but making contact is the most important (and often the hardest) thing.
As Sara said, speak to CAB or a debt charity if you’re finding it difficult to do this yourself. Some councils now have special teams to support residents with their money issues, which might be another good option.
As Sara rightly points out, payment arrangements and other debt solutions will have a negative effect on your credit file, but don’t let this put you off seeking help if you need it – it’s always worth at least speaking to a proper debt advisor, then you have all the options, even if you don’t want to use them, it’ll help you to feel more in control.
If you think you may have borrowed money from an unlicensed lender (‘loan shark’) you can get help. The Illegal Money Lending Team are on 0300 555 2222 or they have more info and webchat on https://www.stoploansharks.co.uk/. You don’t have to give them your name.
Margaret says
Problem with loan sharks is the stoploansharks reporting scheme will try gather lots of intelligence for prosecution and are supportive on the phone. However there is rarely a local authority safeguarding policy and safety plan needed to support individuals who do step forward. We have long standing loan sharks around here and when universal credit came in many of us borrowed because had to pay the rent whilst waiting for the benefit to come in. They also step in when doorstep lenders like Provident go under. You cant declare it as a debt I dont think and if you did then what? Not sure they will ever go away in some places.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
The Stop Loan Sharks campaign needs more funding. Much more funding. And the delay to UC needs to be scrapped – even though you can get an advance on the first UC payment which is interest-free (better than Provident’s 400% APR!), repaying that causes hardship.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
No, sorry. I have removed your surname so you are anonymous here.
Margaret says
Hi I don’t know if anyone saw rip off Britain this morning they spoke about someone had a problem with Amigo. I thought I would die laughing when they said Amigo said the would never go after a gaurentor for payment . They constantly contacted me for payments when my son couldn’t pay.
James says
Long story, but 2.5 years ago I moved back back into my (84 years old at the time) Mums house as I was getting into debt privately renting. As soon as I moved in, my Mum contacted the council to say I’d moved in. As a result, we were issued a new council tax bill.
Unknown to me, my Mum was receiving housing benefit (approx £25 a week) prior to me moving in. And with my Mum being unfamiliar with benefits, she says she thought that by telling the council about me moving in, everything would be covered.
We are now looking at the governments right to buy scheme.
So yesterday my Mum received a letter from the council to say she owes £3150 in overpaid housing benefit. They will be in touch soon to sort out repayment. Do you think this will affect the right to buy? Would the council possibly block this if we argued / didn’t pay it all off in one go?
Many thanks for any assistance, even if it is going to be bad news
Kind regards
James
Sara (Debt Camel) says
So your mum has been getting her full rent paid for the last 2.5 years? Does she get pension credit?
Are you in work?
Do you have this much money saved up?
James says
Hi Sara, sorry, I had to edit first post, as it was too long. So had to leave some info out. So my Mum’s rent is pence over £100 a week, and she got £25 off with benefit. No, no pension credit. Yep I work, pay ‘rent’ to my Mum. We do have the money so can pay it. I guess we’re both just a bit annoyed that my Mum told the council 2.5 years ago that I’d moved in, we always filled in council forms correctly, yet it appears to us that through their poor inter department communication we’ve suddenly got a £3000 bill. We want to buy the place. Ideally we wouldn’t have to pay £3000, in one go, next week. We just don’t know if the council will stop us buying this place if we owe overpaid housing benefit. We both feel the council have made an error here. If we have to pay, we have to pay.
Thanks so much for your help
James
Sara (Debt Camel) says
ok. I think your mum needs to talk to her local Citizens Advice about her situation. They should start with a benefit check – should she be getting pension credit? Should she have received any Housing Benefit if she had told the benefits department that you had moved in?
You don’t want to pay a bill without being sure it is correct…
I haven’t heard of anyone being barred from RTB because they owe a Housing Benefit debt. But Citizens Advice can check on that as well.
Your mum should have informed the benefits department that you had moved in. It is VERY likely that she does owe some money.
James says
Thanks Sara…….. appreciated……. with hindsight (and I didn’t know), no, she shouldn’t have received any housing benefit once I moved in…….. bearing in mind she’s now 86, in her mind, she thought that by telling the council I’d moved in, she’d sorted it………. I didn’t even know that housing benefit was sorted through the council these days………. I don’t think think she’s entitled to any pension credit as she gets a (small) private pension each month.
We both get that she’s been given a discount she’s not entitled to each month now (though again, she thought that by telling the council, it was all in the open)….. and I didn’t know she was getting it…….
Thanks so much for your replies on a Sunday evening, you’re a star
James
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Put her income into https://benefits-calculator-2.turn2us.org.uk/. there are a LOT of people who are eligible for pension credit that don’t claim it.
Peter says
I have fixed with Britush Gas till March 2024. As I have fixed the price cap rise will not increase this rate. Am I correct?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
yes that is corect.
Peter says
Great…I was suprised to be able to fix at the rate and at a daily rate down from 26p to 14!
Sara (Debt Camel) says
when did you fix this?
Peter says
Jan 15th rate is 3.983 kwh and daily is 14.667p. Fix March 24 v2. I did it using chat on British Gas online.
Hols2027 says
Hi, I’m looking for some advice please. We can no longer afford to pay our debts due to a huge paycut my husband has had to take and our 0% ending and we are now drowning. We have a Mortgage but there’s no equity. I have been reading up on a lot of forums and am considering either a DMP or DPP as we are in Scotland. I have read we should wait until our accounts default and get an emergency fund behind us and then apply either through SC or CAB or do it ourselves. We have never missed any payments but have now cancelled all our DD, i am not sleeping at all as i a am worried sick what will happen and if we get taken to Court or get CCJs. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I think you need to talk to a Scottish adviser about your options. See https://www.advicescotland.com/ – their webchat is good.
S says
Hello
I had gov grants sisse. I have debt from mobile contract credit cards with high interest. I can bearly live I am on uc and CAnt afford basic. Like food, gas.
Can the grants be included in a dro? And it’s up to £30,000?
Dose it only effect my credit file for just a year?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
You need some personal help fast. With SEISS grants, talk to Business Debtline on 0800 197 6026. They cover the self employed and people with small limited companies. Business and personal debts.
A DRO ends after a year and the debts in it are wiped out but it affects your credit record for 6 years (like bankruptcy or an IVA). If you can’t pay your debts, there are no options that will only harm your credit record for a year.
Stephen Harrison says
Could someone clarify about the £200 energy loan please, My understanding is that a married couple or anyone who lives in a multi-occupancy home will receive 1 x 200 but have to pay back 2 x 200 or however many are in the house, Student accommodation may have five students and one bill so that would mean 1 x 200 but 5 x 200 to pay back? This is the biggest con ever if true.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
This is NOT a loan. Both the £200 deduction and future £40 increases will be per bill. So the married couple will get one reduction now and one increase later.
It isn’t really a con, for as many that lose in the student example you give, there will be people that gain… 2 single people now get two £200 discounts, they move into together and only repay 1.
I don’t like the proposal, not because the repayments are unfair – to do anything else would be extremely expensive to administer – but because it fails to target the most help at the people that need it most.
francis says
Am on benefits and cant pay my credit cards, have missed last few payments and soon the will be sold to a debt collection agency. Should I just ignore the debt collection agency’s? What would happen if I do? Will they take it to court even though I’m on benefits? What would court do?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
can you give some more details? You may have several options and it helps to rule some in or out…
– how much do the credit cards (and catalogues? and overdraft? and loans?) add up to?
– are you hoping to be off benefits soon, or is that unrealistic?
– and you renting or buying?
– are you behind with any priority bills – rent/mortgage, council tax, energy?
– do you have a car that you own? on finance?
Francis says
The debts would be about 8 thousand, am carer for my wife so cant see myself being off benefits soon. Am renting, no car no priority debts.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I think you should talk to National Debtline about your options.
It’s important you don’t get behind with priority bills and this means paying little or nothing to your loans and cards etc. But that won’t clear them, so as thi si going to go on for wiote a while , it may be better to get them written off through a Debt Relief Order, see https://debtcamel.co.uk/debt-options/dro/. National Debtline can talk you through all the options and theri pros and cons so you can make a choice.
Ian Mac says
My daughter gets universal credit and qualifies for council tax rebate of 100%, meaning the council effectively pay hers. Will she still get the rebate?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Yes she should, tell her to ask her council how it will be paid and if she needs to do anything.
Yvette says
The Rebate goes directly to The Landlord. Not Your Daughter.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
The council tax £150 “rebate” should be paid to her. She should contact the council if she hasn’t been paid this.
The £400 off electricity bills will be deducted from her bill if she pays it. If electric is included in her rent she should ask her landlord how this will be paid to her, eg by reducing her rent. If she doesn’t get a sensible answer, suggest dhe talks to her local Citizens Advice.
Alice says
I defaulted on my Paypal Credit account (UK) during Covid unfortunately and was told the default would be on my credit report for 7 years. I questioned this and said are they sure it is not 6 years and they said that some companies have an agreement where they stay on longer (ie. for 7 years). Is this true? The call centre is in Ireland so maybe the rules are different there? Thanks for your help.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
it is 6 years in the UK.
Tim says
Hi
I’m considering applying for an IVA as my debts are spiralling out of control. I have approximately 30k of credit cards, loans, store cards and car finance.
Are IVA’s a good solution to debt problems? I know my credit file will be affected for 6 years but my credit file is bad anyway!
What income do IVA’s take into account?
I earn a half decent wage, but pay well over £1000 per month in debt repayments.
We are in receipt of universal credit and DLA for our autistic daughter.
I just feel I’m constantly working to pay off debt I should never have took out and I’m now in a trap of using debt to pay debt and can’t ever see the end of the tunnel!
I feel our quality of life is suffering as we can never do anything with the kids, haven’t had a holiday in years as all our income goes on our cost of living.
Has anyone had experience of IVA’s? Have they been of help or something you wish you didn’t do?
Thank you in advance
Sara (Debt Camel) says
IVAs are a good option for a small number of people but are being mis-sold to many who have better options. And a third or more of IVAs fail, leaving you back with the debts after a year or two of stress.
Some of these questions may sound odd. Some will turn out to be irrelevant but I can’t tell without asking…
The car finance – when does this end? At the end of it will you own the car? How much is that a month?
Are all the debts in your name, or some in your partners?
Your bad credit record – do you have high cost loans? have you had credit cards or catalogues where the limit has been increased when you are only paying the minimum amounts? do you have a large overdraft?
Tim says
Hi
The car finance has approximately 3 years left to pay at £312 per month.
Yes I will own the car after.
All the debt is mine apart from one which is amigo, of which I am the guarantor for the loan which my partner took out. Her only income was personal independence payment which had since been stopped, hence why I am now paying the repayments.
I have high interest loans, high interest credit cards and store credit with next, ao, jd Williams to name a few.
I don’t have an overdraft.
Kind regards
Tim
Sara (Debt Camel) says
So the problem with an IVA is that after the car finance ends, they will expect you to start paying the extra £312 a month to the IVA. (Also there is a chance that the car may be repossessed if there is an insolvency clause in the car finance agreement – this sometimes happens, not all the time.)
Can you list the lenders & balances owed to high interest loans, cards, catalogues etc?
One option may be for you to have a debt management plan for all the debts except the car finance which is a priority and has to be paid in full. And look at making affordability complaints to all the lenders – any you win will reduce the balance owed. That includes Amigo – the payment can go into your DMP now and you and your partner can both make affordability complaints about it.
Then in 3 years when the car finance ends, you will have some more money and at that point you can use it to make partial settlement offers to the remaining debts in your DMP.
Tim says
Hi
Yes the car is the only issue in all this.
My lenders are:
Better borrow- £11000
Updraft credit- £6000
Amigo- £4000
Savvy loans- £1200
Lending stream- £1000
Vanquis- £3500
Marbles- £3500
118- £1000
Next- £3000
Ao- £1000
Jd Williams- £1000
There’s a few other smaller ones and also been paying debt collection companies for past debts, which combined I pay approximately £50-60 per month split between the various agencies.
It’s a mess!!
I tried to better myself by taking a new job with a very good salary, the snag was there was a year’s training salary. So I took out a loan to see me through… 2 months after I started covid struck and basically ruined everything financially!! It prolonged my training as I got furloughed, stuck on my training wage which didn’t even scratch our monthly outgoings so turned to credit in order to get through.
I am now qualified in my job and earning better salary, but with all the debt built up… it’s all too much to carry on!
My salary will increase quite considerably next year too as I enter into my 3 year as qualified in my profession.
The issue Iv seen with debt management plans.. is it the case that they can take years to resolve? Obviously it’s my debt and I’m not going to hide from that. Just I don’t want to be shackled to it for the next 10-20years.
Maybe I should give step change a call to see if they can help?
Thank you Sara
Much appreciated
Sara (Debt Camel) says
ok so expecting a big pay rise AND that the car loan will be repaid makes a huge difference – in favour of a DMP not an IVA. I will explain (and answer your questions) but first…
That list of debts adds up to 36k. Is one of those the car finance, or is another debt not on the list?
Tim says
Hi
Sorry these amounts are a rough but fairly close estimate of what I owe.
This list doesn’t include my car finance which is which oodle in which I owe £10000 approx
Sara (Debt Camel) says
ok so the car finance was also probably expensive – how long ago was it taken out? presumably you also had a lot of problem debt at that point?
Tim says
Hi
Yes my financial situation wasn’t great at the point of getting the car, but with no disposable income and about to start an intensive year’s training, I couldn’t afford to by a car off the side of the road and run the risk of it breaking down down so decided to buy from a dealership with 3 years warranty.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
how long ago was this? (weird question but it matters)
Tim says
This was in October 2019 just before I started my new job
The problem I had was my previous car was on a salary sacrifice deal with my previous employer so evidently when I left to start with my new employer, it had to be returned leaving me with no car.
My financial situation wasn’t ideal when I took this new job, but it’s a one in a million opportunity.
My job is now as a qualified train driver, so as you can imagine, I simply couldn’t turn it down due to finances not being great as I may not ever have got that opportunity given ever again.
It was my hope to get qualified then put in overtime in order to quickly repay what I owe, but unfortunately it’s got a bit too much to handle now.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
ok. So the short answer is that an IVA is a poor option for someone with no assets to protect. They are expensive, often fail and leave an insolvency marker on your credit record.
Sometimes an IVA can be worth it if you have no other sensible options, but you do…
You point out correctly that DMPs can go on for a very long time.
Suppose you originally pay £150 a month to your DMP – and carry on paying the car finance in full.
(I just invented £150 a month as an example to talk about – obviously I have no idea what you would pay.)
Then with all the interest frozen (which is what almost always happens in a DMP, you can assume it will when making a decision) your debts will only drop by £1800 a year which will take 20 years to clear them. Not a good idea!
But you are going to get a good pay rise next year…
In an IVA that just increases what you have to pay each month, it doesn’t mean the IVA ends any sooner.
But in a DMP you can increase your payment. Say you can pay an extra £200 a month so £350 every month – £4200 a year. Suddently your DMP is going end in 8 or 9 years.
Then when your car finance ends, you can pay off the rest of the DMP even faster.
So the starting length of your DMP isn’t how it is going to end up.
I suggest you talk to StepChange now about a DMP and if they suggest an IVA say you want to try a DMP as you are expecting your situation to get much better next year.
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Then you can set about making affordability claims to all the high cost lenders. This is in addition to the DMP. You need to get interest stopped and to have an affordable monthly payment – that gets you into a safe finacial space to make these claims.
You probably won’t win all the complaints, but every one you do win will reduce your debts and shorten that DMP. Well worth trying for a few emails. And don’t be fobbed off by the lenders – send complaints to the Ombudsman if they are rejected. You are in a debt spiral caused by being given unaffordable credit.
Here is how to make the complaints – different pages for different types of credit:
Better borrow, Updraft credit, Savvy loans, 118 – https://debtcamel.co.uk/refunds-large-high-cost-loans/
Lending stream – https://debtcamel.co.uk/payday-loan-refunds/
Amigo – you and your partner both need to make a claim to the Amigo Scheme that they are trying to set up. If the Scheme fails, you make the claim to the administrators that will be appointed. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/amigo-which-way-to-vote/
Vanquis, Marbles, Next , JD Williams – https://debtcamel.co.uk/refunds-catalogue-credit-card/
Oodle – use the template here https://debtcamel.co.uk/refunds-large-high-cost-loans/ but don’t start the claim until you are half way through the HP. That’s why I was asking when it started. You may already be bassed this point or it may be quite soon.
(PS if you make affordability complaints in an IVA, it cuts your debts but you still have to pay the same over the 5 or 6 years.)
Tim says
Hi
Thank you Sara your advice has been greatly appreciated and I thank you very much for listening to my issues.
I did put a complaint in against lending stream and they reduced my total by £300, I emailed back to ask them to stop interest and offered an instalment agreement of £50 per month but I’m yet to hear back.
I have voted in the amigo scheme, although I tried to get my partner signed up but couldn’t get her signed in to do it, I’m not sure if the loan has been passed to me now as she couldn’t pay it?? Not sure, but there’s no mention of her on the site when I log in??
I’ll try the others you mentioned then contact step change and see about the dmp.
I’m glad I spoke to you as you better explained the pit falls of an IVA, I think the problem is, it’s made to seem attractive stating that debt can be written off, without fully explaining the finer details.
Thank you very much again
Kind regards
Tim
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I suggest you talk to StepChange now about the DMP.
You need to be able to reject poor offers from lenders and send the complaints to the Ombudsman which will take many months to go through.
Your partner also needs to make a complaint to Amigo – she can vote in the Scheme if she wants but the important thing is to make a complaint. You also need to make a complaint. You should both seperately send a very short email to hello@amigoloans.co.uk with COMPLAINT as the subject. Just say you want to make an affordability complaint about your Amigo loans. She is complaining the loan was not affordable for her. You are complaining the loan was not affordable for the borrower and that it was also not affordable for you. Amigo is not going to look at your complaint before the Scheme so there is no reason to write a lot. Don’t think twice about this, there is no downside to doing it, do it now.
Bob says
Have you seen many creditors write off a debt for a vulnerable person? I’ve had two do that and one ‘not pursue, one creditor put it on a ‘partial’ settlement’ while another ‘charged off’ the debt, I don’t understand the terms
Sara (Debt Camel) says
It happens if you can make out a good case. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/debt-options/less-common/write-off/.
If you aren’t clear about what they are saying, the things to get confirmed that they will not contact you again in future to ask you to make any payments to the debt, they will not sell the debt to a debt collector, and that the debt will be marked at satisfird or partially satisfies with a zero balance on your credit record.
How they account for it internally doesn’t make any difference to you.
Suzzyjen says
I had all my creditors do this when I was working at a retail store group, my job was in danger.I explained the situation and said I had about 6 month s work .I made arrangements to pay about a third of all my debts including student loan.I stuck to the arrangements and all 3 were signed off as satisfied. The only thing was I would never be able to have a student loan but I had peace of mind and I left that employment 3 months after for more secure employment and no debts.
I am only now able to get a small limit£700,credit card but things are better and less stressful.
Jane says
Hi Sara. I am unsure where to being with making a comment.
My mum took out a loan for 10,000 for which I was guarantor. She can no longer make payments and has just been accepted for debt relief order and now the loan has been passed to me. I cannot afford to take this on. I do not no what to do for the best. I have been getting advice from the citizens advice, I have made an affordability complaint. I am unsure whether to begin paying a little while my complaint is investigated to save my credit score. I really don’t no what to do for the best.
Thanks jane
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Who is the lender?
Does the loan currently show on your credit record?
What was your financial situation at the time the loan was given?
What is the rest of your current financial situation like, do you have other debts? Are you up to date with bills?
Kathleen Mason says
When the pension is increased in 2023 the council will deduct that amount from my rent allowance. The pension increase will take me even more over the tax allowance so I will pay more tax on my small private pension so I will actually be worse off.
I did not get the 380 payment as I do not get pension credit and the rent allowance is not counted as means tested even though it is because you don’t get it unless you supply information about your income which shows you need it. I worked all my life to get my private pension but now get penalised every which way
I am 75 and struggling to pay anything
Sara (Debt Camel) says
When the pension is increased in 2023 the council will deduct that amount from my rent allowance.
So you are getting Housing Benefit?
Income for HB assessment is after tax, so you can’t be worse off because your pension increases, even though you pay more tax on it. But you may not be very much better off.
You should be eligible for a Winter Fuel Payment, see https://www.gov.uk/winter-fuel-payment/eligibility which has an extra amount this year to help with fuel bills.
Do you mind saying what your state pension is? And what any other pensions are?
But if you are struggling already, then this will get worse in October when energy bills go up, possibly by about 65%. Do you have any debts that you are paying?
John Robertson says
Just wondered if iva firms are looking at giving more help to finish them early on payments made to date especially when your in the later years of the iva.
Surely with the cost of living there is going to be major problems with the whole iva because no one will be able to pay for them.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
they should be! See https://debtcamel.co.uk/help-ivas-cost-of-living/
James says
Hi Sara,
Looking for some advise; first off I am keeping up with bills but leaving myself with nothing each month and living out my credits cards.
My overall outgoings per month is 2340, not including my credit cards which I try and pay £600 with a total balance of £4000. I have also used the cards for cash withdrawals so pay a bit more interest.
My basic is £2000 but including bonus I make between £2900 and £3200. I have never missed a payment but I don’t think I can keep this up until my loans and car are up in 3 years to then clear credit cards.
I have cancelled the direct debits for all debts until I figure out what to do, but I am stuck between returning the car which i pay 600 per month to and have £17500 left to pay and defaulting on all the debts to then set up payment arrangements or no idea what else. End goal is by 45 (currently 38) I want to try and buy a house not sure either default and let it drop of file before this age and have money each month or continue to struggle.
Any suggestions would be appreciated
Sara (Debt Camel) says
My overall outgoings per month is 2340
Does this take account of energy bills increasing in October? does it include groceries, clothes, the everyday essentials? and the car finance?
Is your car essential, eg to get to work?
how long have you had the car finance and is it simple HP or a PCP with a balloon payment at the end?
James says
Hi Sara,
This does not include the price increases in October, I use what I have paid to my credit cards each month for food and essentials so not included in my figures.
It is higher purchase, I stupidly tried to pay it over 3 years and have paid it for 6 months, no balloon payment at the end
Thanks
Sara (Debt Camel) says
and is the car an essential? Are you single? Any children?
James says
I am single, partner passed away and No I do not see it as essential, my daughter drives and has my old car. I only use it for getting to the train station and back for work and shopping.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I think the first thing you need is a realistic budget, that you will be able to manage on for the next 6-12 months. Without that it’s hard to tell what your options are. This has to include food, clothes etc that you have been putting on a credit card. And much higher payments to energy bills.
This is a good one to use https://tools.nationaldebtline.org/yourbudget/ – it lists a lot of things you may forget.
It isn’t clear to me if you can manage everything else if you hand back the car. You can Voluntarily Terminate the HP contract (see https://debtcamel.co.uk/vt-end-car-finance-early/) and you will only owe half of the cost of credit, less what you have paid so far. That may be £7-8,000? Of course you would also save insurance, servicing, parking, petrol, road tax etc.
If that isn’t possible, then possibly a debt management plan could work, where all your other debts and the remaining car finance after the VT is put into the plan and you pay an affordable amount and interest is stopped. Making individual payment arrangements for the car fiance debt, 4 cards and other loans can be hard work. And a DMP has the same effect on your credit record as payment arrangements. So talk to StepChange about that.
I think you need a plan to get through the next couple of years at the moment. You have a very large amount of debt to clear and to save up a deposit in 7 years may be ambitions but see how it goes.
Even when debts have dropped off your credit record they still need to be settled before you get a mortgage.
James says
Hi Sara,
Thanks for your help, this has been some good advise. I will contact them all this month and ask for them to give me a month grace to work out my plans.
I noticed you said all debts need to be paid off before a mortgage? I though after 6 years no one is able to see it anymore?
Thanks
Sara (Debt Camel) says
if you are still paying them, the mortgage lender will see the payments on your bank statements.
JanetM says
It really is a big worry ..We have just had a big drop in income due to my husband being diagnosed with Cancer leaving him unable to eat for five months and being artificially fed ..He has just come through an aggressive course of chemo and now facing a life changing op ..Fortunately we are mortgage and debt free and are managing to pay all the bills at present ..but the margin is narrowing due to all the price rises and the probably at his age that he may never be fit to return to work is constantly in the back of our minds ..A sudden unexpected change of circumstances for anyone can cause a financial headache and this economic crisis doesn’t help either ..Let’s hope something is done about it very soon ..but I’m not holding my breath !
Neil Cooksey says
Hiya Sarah
I have a couple of old Barclaycard debts that defaulted over 12 years ago,and I haven’t made a payment to them for over 8 years.
Suddenly these have been ‘sold’ to Link Financial.
Surely these debts are statute barred.
What do you think?
Neil Cooksey
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Possibly! Talk to National Debtline on 0808 808 4000 – they have a template letter to send if its likely the debts are statute barred.
If it turns out they aren’t for some reason, then I suggest the next step is to ask link to produce the CCA agreements for the debts. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/ask-cca-agreement-for-debt/. But statute barring may well be simpler and quicker route.
Zainab says
Hi Sarah.
I wanted to ask you can I make a complaint to a business credit card company called Capital on Tap for irresponsible lending a business card and gave me a limt first £1000 then Increased to £8000 without asking me I am in debt they chargers are bad paying £800 month plus my business is not working as well anymore. They said it could effect my personal credit file. Any advice where I stand with a irresponsible compliant?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
You need to talk to Business Debtline https://www.businessdebtline.org/
The irresponsible lending complaints I cover are for consumer debts not business debts.
John Roberts says
Are small business debts treated like personal debts by the FCA and the FOS?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Sometimes.
He needs expert advice and Business Debtline is the place to get help.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Do you have a prepayment meter? Ofgem wants people to complete a short survey (about 10 minutes) so it can see whether the suppliers have been breaking the rules about installing these meters. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/ofgem-prepayment-meter-survey/
miles says
I just don’t understand how my mortgage can go from £249 per month to £615 in 6 month. How can companies get away with this?
I tried to remortgage some time ago but the mortgage company said the new mortgage would be unaffordable based on new payments of £550 per month changing from interest only to repayment.
But hey ho, all of a sudden, it seems to be quite affordable at £615. The mortgage company hasn’t even asked if I am struggling to pay and certainly hasn’t mentioned tat my old mortgage is now unaffordable.
What do you think?
Don’t you think this wholesystem is unfair as to interest only mortgages and unaffordabiliyi.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
What is the current interest rate? Who is the lender? How long does the mortgage have to run?
Are the current payments affordable?
Em says
Hi Sara,
I have a question about debt and changing jobs.
I have a new job which I start on the 3rd April, I currently get paid weekly so I will be without money until the 28th April when I next get paid once I start. Meaning that my outgoings won’t be able to be paid until may, as it will be paid on the last working day of the month so I can’t move them all to the 28th.
How do I go about asking and ringing to inform them about not starting payments again until may? Is this something I can do?
Thank you.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Yes you can do this. It should be straightforward forward with council tax, water, energy. Are you renting or buying? If renting, private or social?
David says
My energy provider generates my bill between the 5th and 10th of each month. I pay said bill each month on 28th when I am paid.
They are forever incessantly pestering for payment after about a week, threatening disconnection and installation of prepayment meter.
I’ve made a complaint. But it’s hardly surprising folk ate struggling if this is how they handle accounts. I’m not even in any arrears. Account is cleared each month. Would hate to think how people feel who can’t afford cost of living st present feel, especially if in arrears and are being treated like this by thr companies raking in billions.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
have you considered moving to a direct debit? Your bills would be lower and this would allow you to spread the payments across the year, which makes it easier to budget.
They cannot force you to have a prepayment meter if you are not in arrears.
David says
I’ve had DD with them historically but they added approx £70 extra a month in their estimations. I’d much rather pay for proven usage than give someone interest on miney waiting in an account who doesn’t need it. I’m actually still on their cheapest tariff either way.
More raised this issue as a poor service comment really. Utilita is the company.
A says
Hi Sara,
I have a £17.460,03 total for the below debts and unpaid mobile bill outstanding:
NATWEST RBS Overdraft £1.899,63 – sold to Westcot
NATWEST RBS Credit Card £5.520,32 – sold to Moorcroft
NATWEST RBS Personal Loan £7.473,43 – sold to Westcot
Lantern UK Personal Loan £929,52
INDIGO MICHAEL Personal Loan £794,73
MY FINANCE CLUB Personal Loan £372,40
MR LENDER Personal Loan £260,00
My Three Mobile Phone Pay Monthly £210,00
I had a SC DMP in place, paying 65 a month but because I moved back to Europe, SC said they can no longer support me.
I have now been unemployed for nearly 8 months because my mental health deteriorated and I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and recurring major depressive disorder. I am seeking employment but my condition makes it hard to obtain or keep employment and I am left with hardly any of my minimum security benefits, after rent and basic expenses.
What are my options with the UK creditors as a European? My home country can’t help me, unless I have a higher income but my mental health has been terrible and I don’t know if and when my situation will improve.
Thank you so much in advance!!
Sara (Debt Camel) says
How long has your StepChange DMP been running? When did you leave the UK?
A says
It was set up in March 2022 but payments ran from June 2022 up until March 2023 – there was a direct debit of 65 set up.
I left the UK in December 2021 but SC agreed to set up the DMP initially, with a prospect of me coming back to the UK but that’s now impossible so they closed my account in March 2023 and creditors have been chasing me.
Sorry about the confusion! I only just now learned the reason I have been so impulsive, with disturbed patterns of thinking and emotional dysregulation and instability was because I had undiagnosed BPD and RDD. What can I do about this debt, if I struggle to even regulate my thoughts and emotions?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
and creditors have been chasing me
they have your address?
A says
I received several E-mails from most creditors asking for updated contact details. I panicked and gave them my brother’s address who I was registered with at the time but no longer live at. Will they send letters to him or send bailiffs to his flat?
I sent them income expenditure sheet (basically from €1000 a month benefits, I have almost nothing left at month’s end) and my mental health issues (clinical report) and asked for my accounts to be put on a 6 month hold while I receive psychotherapy before I can give a new update and to ease up on the contact. Now they want the report to be translated to English but I am so very stressed out and have been contemplating suicide for months now, I just don’t want to deal with them anymore. Please, what can I do?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Will they send letters to him
No, but they may write to you at that address. You need to explain this to your brother.
It’s up to you if you want to give your creditors your current contact details. If you don’t want to, your brother chould send any letters back saying that you have moved abroad and he doesn’t have you current address?
or send bailiffs to his flat?
They would have to go to court for a CCJ first. That takes time. Also the CCJ would be in your name – if a bailiff turns up, your brother can refuse to let them in, say you live aboard and that there is no property of yours at his address. A bailiff has no right of entry.
I think you should talk to National Debtline about all of your options, including ignoring the creditors, offering a token payment, asking for write offs and possible forms of insolvency. You can phone them from abroad on +44 121 227 4780 but that is not a free number. Or you could use their webchat, which is very good: https://nationaldebtline.org/contact-us/
John Roberts says
Ask the creditors to write off the debts as they clearly will never be able to recover the money. They can have whatever you have paid SC
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Asking for a write off is one option
Joanne says
Hello, I had taken a £7000 loan out with Reevo on the 18th July, interest 39.95%, I have bad credit currently. Anyway, I have since secured a loan at a much better interest rate and the settlement figure from Reevo is £7531.38 which can be paid by 08/09/22. I’m planning to pay in full tomorrow (14th August), there are no fees, do you think this amount of interest is justified for a loan of less than a month? Can I do anything to challenge this? Thanks
Sara (Debt Camel) says
What were the monthly payments?
How did you come across this lender when you could have got a much better deal – was it through a credit report?
Can I ask what other high costs debt you have – overdraft, loans, cards, car finance? Because you may be Abel to win affordability complaints.
Nic says
Hi Sarah just wandering if you can advise! I have gotten myself in to a pickle with money living beyond my means and burying my head in the sand and my outgoings are nearly as high as my income. This month it has come to a head and it appears I may have to contact some of my creditors as I have almost ran out of money. Its going to be the same for the next couple of months and I will be left with 200 ish disposable income. I really want to get back on top of money as the stress I have caused myself is making me ill. I have contacted one of my debts and they have made it very difficult to change payment dates and have said that it may go down as an arrangement to pay which I am aware can be deemed just as damaging as a default which seems super unfair. Do you think it would be worth entering in to a debt management plan as it seems that my score will have just as damaged either way ?! Or live off next to nothing and get back on top of finances and hope that the damage isn’t quite as bad as I’m expecting ?! 🙃
Sara (Debt Camel) says
how large are your debts roughly? How many are credit cards and how many are loans?
are things really going to get a lot better in a couple of months?
Nic says
All together my debts are roughly 7000 payments come out at nearly 1460 income 1630 a month.
3 are loans and I have 4 credit cards 🙃
I have looked at advise on step change and they have suggested a dmp but I am acutely aware that this is very bad for my credit file.
I have only just realised that asking for forbedeance is probably just as damaging.
I have a lot of small debts that I pay off each month and a couple of big ones. Not sure if it be better to make an arrangement with the bigger debts and keep in top of the smaller ones.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Things would have to get dramatically better in two months for those debt to be affordable at the normal repayment amounts.
A debt management plan is really just a series of payments arrangements, with the big plus that StepChange do all the negotiating for you and you get to just make one payment a month to them. The effects on your credit record are much the same. You can’t afford the debt repayments and there is no magic debt solution that will allow you to reduce them ad protect your credit record.
I think a StepChange DMP (where there are importantly no fees) sounds like a sensible option for you. Once you have a few payment arrangements on your credit record there is no benefit to trying to repay the smaller ones in full. It’s better to opt for simplicity of one payment across ll of them and stopping new interest being added on all your debts.
Two tips for starting a DMP:
1) it takes a few weeks. As soon as you have made the decision, immediately cancel the direct debits and don’t make my more payments to the debts in the DMP. You can’t afford them and this gives you the chance to build up a small buffer for an emergency fund in the DMP. Just tell the creditors that a DMP is being set up – they will understand.
2) once it’s underway, look at making affordability complaints about the debts in the DMP. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/tag/refunds/ for articles with template letters you can use. Winning any will really speed up your DMP.
COH says
Hi Sara
Can you help please?
I have two debts 6k/ 5k. These were part of a debt plan that i had been paying into since 2015 – the debt management company dumped my account three years ago 2021.
The two different ‘debt collection’ companies, who have clearly bought my debt, then sent me a letter demanding settlement, I instantly sent a ‘prove my debt’ letter. Since then both companies have dropped me 1/2 letters per month, demanding I get in touch with them to arrange payment. I have not responded for 3 years and no further action has been taken. Other than the stream of letters, trying all sorts of tactics to provoke me to make contact. It feels a very much like harassment and Im not sure what I can do to stop them, any advice please?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
why did the DMP firm halt the DMP – which firm was it?
what sort of debts are these – loans, credit cards, overdrafts?
what is your current financial position like?
COH says
Because i refused to pay more than the initial payments agreed. I was earning very little money. Hitachi loan and HSBC.
My current situation is better but not great.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
the HSBC – was that a card, loan or overdraft?
Coh says
From memory, It was a loan to pay off an overdraft.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
so two loans – one thing you could do is ask the debt collectors to produce the CCA agreement for the loans. See https://debtcamel.co.uk/ask-cca-agreement-for-debt/ – if they can’t, then the debts are unenforceable in court. Otherwise your only option to stop the contact is to offer an affordable monthly payment.
Sarah says
Yes I agree but this was over a year ago now and I’ve paid no problem. I didn’t expect my mum passing away so suddenly and her not having anything in place to pay for the funeral costs or having to pay for a plot before being able to add a headstone.
So yes I already know this however I’m asking if there’s anything that I can do. If not then I will just continue to pay. I didn’t realise once the contract was up that I had to still continue paying or send the item back. The contract is for 18months I guess in hindsight I should have check. I suffered from pstd after adopting my daughter and wasn’t in a good place so I wasn’t thinking straight no excuse I know. But I can’t change this now and moving forward I’m just looking at my options thanks Sarah
Sara (Debt Camel) says
if you go to your local Citizens Advice they can look at the contract – I haven’t dealt with one of these before.
honestly it may be much cheaper to stop paying then just continue renting them indefinitely
Coh says
Okay I will do that today.
I’m not really sure why they haven’t taken this legal after nearly 3years of non payment. Any ideas?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Because it’s cheaper to badger you until you start paying?
coh says
Hi Sarah
I originally asked them to prove the debt, which they have never responded to, what I don’t understand is, if they were able to and have a CCA, why they didn’t?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Because they are unlikely to have the CCA but may possibly be able to get it from the original lender. It would be a hassle – until you sk specifically for this, why would they bother?
but you can overthink these things – just make the CCA request now.
Coh says
Thank you.
Sarah lou says
Hi Sarah
Are you familiar with
Hiya tv rental company?
I have tablets on rent with them but I no longer have them due to giving them as presents to children.
My mum recently passed 15th January and I’ve had funeral costs to pay. I don’t work and I’m a carer for my daughter. The only way that you can get out of paying for these items is to send them back. Then they also charge a get out fee unless you have valid reasons. If you don’t pay every week they set direct debit for 5am on agreed day if its not paid by 11am they block the item so you can’t use it.
What I’m asking is is there a way to get out of this agreement and offer a smaller payment due to my change in financial situation without the items being blocked as I can’t send them back?
Thanks Sarah
Sara (Debt Camel) says
You should NOT “give” things as presents that you don’t own. How old are your children?
Sarah says
Yes I agree but this was over a year ago now and I’ve paid no problem. I didn’t expect my mum passing away so suddenly and her not having anything in place to pay for the funeral costs or having to pay for a plot before being able to add a headstone.
So yes I already know this however I’m asking if there’s anything that I can do. If not then I will just continue to pay. I didn’t realise once the contract was up that I had to still continue paying or send the item back. The contract is for 18months I guess in hindsight I should have check. I suffered from pstd after adopting my daughter and wasn’t in a good place so I wasn’t thinking straight no excuse I know. But I can’t change this now and moving forward I’m just looking at my options thanks Sarah
Amitava says
Hi Sara
Hope you are well. I requested a CCA through Lowell for a Barclay card debt and they have sent the short form cancellation and historic terms and conditions and the letter states that they are unable to supply the varied terms and conditions. Is this sufficient. Thanks
Regards
Amitava
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I suggest you ask National Debtline on 0808 808 4000. Or post on the Legal Beagles forum.
Marie says
Hi Sara
I’m not sure where to put my question on here but hoping you can help.
I really want to help my elderly mother with decorating her house, she just receives her pension and I’m in a ton of debt and don’t have much disposable income to pay for it. I also can’t paint and don’t really have anyone who can help us. Do you know of any services or grants where I could help her get some support with painting? Thanks so much
Sara (Debt Camel) says
How large is her pension?
Alex says
Hi Sara,
I just had a question regarding making an affordability complaint about my loan. It’s with NatWest.
I missed a number of payments when I was out of work and struggling mentally. When I spoke to them they put this as a default and gave me breathing space regarding paying this back. I’m now doing an I&E for them and waiting to hear back about a mutual agreement going forward to pay this back.
Because they’ve been helpful with the above
I feel unsure about raising an affordability complaint. I think I have grounds to based on missed payments on two of my credit cards at the time it was offered to me. I’m unsure if this would help me though and would appreciate any advice.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
When did you take the loan? What interest rate was it? What was the loan for? Is Natwest your bank?
Were the missed payments to credit cards recent?
What is your current financial position like?
Matt says
Hi
Just wanted some advice on credit cards.
I’ve got a £800 balance accumulated over a year. If I pay it all off let’s say a day before my next statement is generated then I won’t pay any extra interest?
Thanks
Sara (Debt Camel) says
There is a payment due date on your statement. You need to clear it by then to not get charged any more interest on it.
Matt says
Great thank you
John Williams says
Some lenders now charge interest from the date of purchase.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Was that in reply to Matt? He was asking about interest on an accrued balance, not on new purchases.
Many lenders will charge interest from the date of purchase unless the balance was cleared.
John Williams says
Some lenders have started charging interest regardless of clearing the balance when due, hence my post.
Steve says
Hi
We originally had a littlewoods extra debt from 1999..
Owing £453.06
This debt was moved to one debt agency to another and another
This week Capquest have contacted us asking for payment
This debt doesn’t appear on my credit file anywhere as it’s old..
What’s shall I do
Pay them ?
Or mention Statued Barred?
Thanks
Sara (Debt Camel) says
When did you last make a payment to this debt?
Steve says
Around about 2014
Sara (Debt Camel) says
It may well be statute barred – use the National Debtline letter here https://nationaldebtline.org/get-information/sample-letters/time-has-run-out-recover-debt-ew/
Let me know what happens.
Ann says
PART ONE:
I currently have TWO Outstanding debts defaulted / put on hold due to my circumstances. And hoping you can help me gain some clarity and work out next steps…
1 – TESCO CC – Who have been chasing me for years for a payment, despite other creditors writing off the debt due to medical evidence. Their member of staff suggested I ask for a write off and then refused it. I complained to the ombudsman who took their side. They are still chasing me for the money, despite my I/O sheet being in the minus which I believe is illegal? My illness has improved so I can work more now. But I am still not making enough to make a profit.
SO – my questions to you are:
A – ARE they legally allowed to ask for payment despite my I/O sheet being in the minus?
B – They said they will only consider a write off with recent medical evidence, NOT because of current I/O in the minus. Is that allowed?
C – ALSO – I have now been informed that Tesco CC have been acquired by Barclays who is my main current account. So now I am very stressed worried that this defaulted Tesco CC could affect my Barclays Current Acc. Any thoughts on that please?
Sara (Debt Camel) says
a – well it depends what the I/O sheet shows and whether it is reasonable. Are you paying other non priority debts? Have you discussed this with a debt adviser?
b – yes. Debts get written off when there is no little or chance of your situation improving (that could be because of your age, health, caring responsibilities…). Not just because you have An immediate money crisis.
c – sounds very unlikely
Ann says
thanks for your quick reply.
I ideally would like yo keep both my debts (Tesco CC and NW BB Loan) on hold until I am in a position to pay. They both are chasing me for payment despite my negative I/O sheet – which I believe is illegal based on my current circumstances?
I spoke to business debt line and step change who advised me to get an IVA or go bankrupt, which I do not want to do. I want to have my own LTD Company and be Director within the next few years, so I don’t want to have bankruptcy or an IVA on my file. My accountant also advised against an IVA too. I would prefer to keep these on hold until I can actually afford to pay, which I believe they should be allowing of?
I am also self employed and my income is very variable, so it is hard to predict how much I will make each month, and even when my situation improves, is hard to agree to a set amount each month as it changes so much. I am doing my best with the energy and resources I have at the moment.
My I/O shows all my debts are on hold, I am not currently paying back any debts. It shows I am only covering my basic needs each month, my medical costs and food costs are higher than ‘average’ because of my health issues (which are improving but still require me to live carefully and not do too much). Other than that, I do not spend on anything expect living costs and travel costs for work. I don’t drink or smoke or spend money on going out or clothes, or anything like that.
Sara (Debt Camel) says
An IVA is clearly unsuitable if you have no spare income and if you try to struggle through it would be a millstone round your neck for 5 year.
But you can be a company director after you are discharged from bankruptcy after 12 months – Business Debtline is probably recommending this as a clean start for you.
Ann says
thanks. I will consider but also hoping my circumstances do improve soon.
Is it illegal for them to ask for payment, when I have showed my current circumstances can’t do that though? I would appreciate an answer on that. Thanks so much x
Sara (Debt Camel) says
I don’t know what you have shown them. illegal is unlikely, but it may be unreasonable. I suggest you ask Business Debtline
Ann says
PART TWO:
2 – A SEPERATE Debt Outstanding / Defaulted is my Bounce Back Loan with Natwest. Who have also refused a write off due to my medical evidence. Please note this medical evidence was sent 1.5 years ago. My health has improved a lot since then but I am still not in a financial position to pay. The business is still trading.
A – What would you suggest I do?
B – What are the legal rights I have if currently unable to afford to repay? What options are available?
3 – I was considering borrowing some money from someone to offer both a Full & Final Settlement to help get me back on track and start rebuilding my credit rating again…
A – Do you know if this is possible for a BounceBack loan? If not, what other options could be available?
B – If it is suitable, how much would you suggest the minimum amount they would accept is, considering it is around £9,000 (BB) / £1,300 (CC)?
Thanks so much for all you do to help people who are struggling X
Sara (Debt Camel) says
Repaying a defaulted debt doesn’t improve your credit rating. Borrowing money from someone to make an offer when you currently have a negative budget is not sensible.
I suggest you talk to Business Debtline about this – they specialise in advice to the self employed and people with small limited companies. They can talk about your options for this bounce back loan and your personal debts as well. https://www.businessdebtline.org/