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  1. FourMenHadADream says

    Looking more in to it, I’m disappointed that the FCA have concluded to refund interest only, however it is still a positive I suppose.

    • FourMenHadADream says

      I should add my complaint it still with FOS for refund of ROP Fees and interest and I will be contacting them to push for refund of all fees, although now it seems more unlikely the ROP fee will be refunded

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      It is a big positive. And to be fair it was the failure to explain the true cost of the ROP which was the major mis-selling issue and that is what is being remedied with the refunding of the extra interest.

      I am very pleased there is no time limit on this refund.

    • Gary G says

      This is a massive cop out, I was misold ROP and had it for years, paying thousands of pounds when in fact I didn’t need to (I was unemployed when I was originally told I had to have ROP to get a credit card , and secondly I was working within in the Civil Service.) Now all I will get back is some interest. Ive been fighting this for years and well I personally think this is a disgrace and once again those who need these high interest credit cards being treated like second class citizens.

      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        If you think you should never have been sold the ROP for other reasons, in addition to what Vanquis now accepts was its failure to explain the true cost, then you should send Vanquis a complaint saying this and asking for a refund of your ROP fees as well as the additional added interest. If they refuse, you can then take your complaint to the Ombudsman.

        Vanquis should certainly never had said that you could only have a card if you take the ROP.

        • Elizabeth Brock says

          i think this was the case with mine too as id ben declared bankrupt in 2012 and was unemployed when i got the card. No doubt they will try and get out of refunding the rop as well.

  2. Anne says

    Hi

    This is fabulous news.
    I have had a complaint rejected by Vanquis as it’s over 6 years and the account is now closed.
    So reading this article will they contact me directly do you think or should I resend my complaint?

    This is a great site wonderful work x

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      NB I am guessing you will get a refund – it would be unfair if you don’t and you should send your case to the Ombudsman.

      I think they will contact you automatically. They are probably in chaos at the moment and trying to work out a plan… I suggest you wait a few weeks then contact them if you haven’t heard from them.

    • Elizabeth says

      i have only just found all this iv had my account since 2014, i am pretty sure that due to me not being in employment i was told i had to have it (not 100% on that) its baffled me for a while why in paying £45 a month for it. I did ask for a payment holiday last november after i was refused an account freeze would this affect the outcome? I have now cancelled the ROP and made a complaint with regards to this and the amount im charged every month which is causing me to struggle to reduce my account as its maxed out.

      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        You are going to get a refund of the extra interest you have been paying each month on all these ROP charges. Having taken a payment holiday will not change this. (I am guessing here but I will be VERY surprised if I am not right.)

        Well done for cancelling it – that’s £45 a month more that you balance will be dropping.

    • laura says

      This is good news today , but the rop was definitely miss sold to some of it’s customers (me) and I will still be contacting the ombudsman regarding that. And the crazy thing is that shares in provident financial were up 73% today , because the news wasn’t as bad as they thought it was going to be ???????

      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        ” the ROP was definitely miss sold to some of its customers (me) and I will still be contacting the ombudsman regarding that.”

        oh yes, the ROP was mis-sold. The FCA has agreed that and Vanquis has had to accept the decision.

        But the question is what refund should you get? Before today, I was suggesting that you should ask for a refund of the ROP and the extra interest added. The FCA has decided that you should only get a refund of the extra interest, probably because that is the bit that wasn’t explained to you.

        If you want to argue you should get a refund of the ROP as well, you will have to go to the Ombudsman.

    • Cat says

      This is excellent news. It was the purchase Interest that was the shock to me. What a victory. Thank you for this site. I submitted a complaint 4 weeks ago hopefully hear something soon :)

    • Gerard says

      Good news, I very happy that everyone who had ROP since June 2003 will be getting their interest charges back. A shame that the FCA didn’t go the whole way and order an automatic refund of all ROP payments too, seeing as though ROP was suspended and is now being completely re-vamped with FCA guidance.. Proves that ROP itself was totally flawed. Nevertheless, a great victory for all customers, not just those who complained within six years. The possibility to complain about any mis-selling of ROP is still there I suppose, so some people can get their ROP payments refunded.

      Great work Sara, your efforts and website have helped me and many others. Thankyou.

      Gerard

    • Jordan N says

      This is great news! my 56 days were up yesterday and i have heard nothing from vanquis so hoping that means i will get something back, would it be worth taking to the FOS? Thanks

    • Dee says

      Wow, was not expecting this at all but so pleased, not just for me but for those previously refused any refund too and anyone totally unaware of this, brilliant!
      My complaint was submitted before this update on the situation so will wait and see if their generic response to an upheld complaint will change from ROP and interest refund to, you agreed to the ROP but would not have been aware of the cost so refund is interest only, which will save them some money on ROP fee payouts.
      I really don’t mind, it’s gone from will I get a refund to how much will I be refunded, very pleased.
      Can’t wait to see upcoming results

  3. Robert says

    Vanquis turned my complaint down. They said they checked my phone call record and there was no evidence to suggest it was sold incorrectly.
    I have referred it to the FOS recently. They also stated “you’ve mentioned that the features of the ROP plan were not explored whilst you were experiencing financial difficulties and in a debt management plan. I have been unable to locate a time when you were eligible to use one of the features of the plan and for them to be offered to you. Therefore my decision not to uphold remains the same.”
    Does this mean I will miss out on a refund?

    • FourMenHadADream says

      You will still get a refund of the interest paid relating to the ROP fee, but no refund of the fee itself.

  4. Village Idiot says

    I assume if I only had ROP for two years then this isn’t going to be a huge amount, and I’m not up to the maths of it. I was shelling out about £35 a month on the ROP, getting all those £35’s back would have been nice but the interest even at 35% pa isn’t going to turn into a huge amount. Oh well.

    • Village Idiot says

      Actually I have just had a go and £2500 x 1.29% gives the £32 a month ROP I was paying, which is £384 a year, 35% is £134 and then the next year compounded will be £134 x 1.35 or £180. So £314 and that’s the minimum because it took about 18 months to get up to a £2500 balance, so there will be other ROP payments, though lower, these will have compound interest for longer.

      So i think £500 to £750, even for my relatively recent (2014) account. Some other payouts ought to be huge!

      They will have to pay the compound interest right up to now won’t they? Not just till they wrote to people?

      • Village Idiot says

        In case anyone’s curious I opened the account with a £500 balance in Sep 14, by Dec 15 the balance was up to £2500 and in Feb 17 I cancelled the ROP.

      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        I *think* the compounding will carry on but any new ROP payments after they wrote to you won’t be taken into account. But I am guessing here.

  5. J says

    Hi
    I had a Vanquis card a few years back and closed the account. I haven’t had any notification from them in regards to anything, does this mean I would need to contact them or I didn’t have ROP?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      Vanquis haven’t contacted anyone yet, this refund was only announced today.

      If you had ROP they should contact you about the refund, there are no timescales yet for this. I suggest waiting a few months, then if you haven’t heard anything, calling and asking.

  6. samantha says

    Hi All,
    anything to do with vanquis I ignore and just pay a little each month off my £500 card. How I have only just found out about this i’ll never know! I’ve searched in my emails and I don’t have any from them informing me of this? how do I go about asking them please?

    thanks,

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      Are you wondering if you are paying ROP? If you are, it should be a line on your statement each month.

        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          Vanquis will contact you – probably by letter – about a refund. This will probably be deducted from your balance.

          BUT you need to think about cancelling the ROP, because it’s so expensive. Look at what you are paying each month, if it wasn’t for that your balance might actually start dropping… This won’t reduce your refund at all, you aren’t going to get refund for next month’s ROP fee, so phone them up now if you want to cancel it.

  7. Emma says

    Hello,

    I already complained to Vanquis about 5 months ago about this matter and they refunded me £300 (o pay the ROP for 4 years and my balance was £4500) so it seems pretty low, also my reply letter from Vanquis didn’t mention any interest being returned. Do you think I will be contacted again or is this it for me?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      I haven’t heard of anyone being offered the ROP back but not the interest before.

      I suggest you ask them to explain how this figure was calculated. If that was all the ROP you paid over 4 years, my guess is your balance must have been a lot lower at the start. In which case the interest on the ROP may not be as much as you would think, possibly not more than the refund you have had. But worth asking for more information.

  8. John says

    A just received a letter this morning saying I agreed to the terms and conditions of the rop bit to be honest I never understood and don’t recall receiving a welcome pack a had the card for maybe 5 years I did cancel the rop in 2014 because it was a lot I was just lucky that I could eventually pay the card off as it was never going down my partner also had the same card and I know her bill Twice the amount mine was are they paying all rop back

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      I now expect that rejection to be replaced by the new standard offer, to refund not the ROP you paid, but all the extra interest they added on. I suggest you wait a couple of weeks then if you haven’t heard anything, contact them and ask if they are going to be writing to you.

  9. Andy D says

    Well I’ve read a few conflicting reports today. The one that stands out is MSE usually a good source. Hopefully they’ve made a mistake. They state that the only dates that will be paid back are 2003-March 2014, but does state should get money paid back within 90 days if account still open 180 days if not. Also I can get it off my Argos card from 2003! So once again thanks Sara

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      2003-2014 is definitely wrong, it is a misunderstanding. What the FCA said was
      “The FCA has ordered Vanquis to pay back the interest customers were charged on the ROP from 1 April 2014 to when customers were informed of the full cost of the ROP. Vanquis has voluntarily agreed to pay back the interest customers were charged on the ROP from June 2003 to 31 March 2014, because before this time the FCA was not responsible for regulating the consumer credit market.”

      The FCA can only tell Vanquis what to do after April 2014 – before then they weren’t Vanquis’s regulator. So they have ordered a refund if the interest from that date. But Vanquis has “voluntarily“ offered to do the same from 2003 to 2014, so effectively the refund runs from 2003 until 2017 when people were told of the full cost.

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      At one point Vanquis issued other branded cards (Argos, Aquis, Black Diamond, Chrome, Granite, NEO, Origin, Progress, Vanquis and Xylo) – any of these may have had ROP, in which case it will be refunded by Vanquis in the same way a “normal” Vanquis card will be.

  10. Alice says

    Hi Sara, my partner had a vanquis card from 2003 which he used right up until 2014/15ish which then when into default, he paid ROP all the way through. It’s now been sold to a debt collection agency…any idea how this might pan out? If a refund was due would they pay it to who they sold the debt too first or too him and then he could choose to pay it off himself? Many thanks!

  11. Michelle says

    I asked for my ROP to be cancelled about two or three years after I applied for a Vanquis card. I still have the card but not the ROP – will I still get a refund?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      Yes you will. This refund applies to anyone that paid for ROP since 2003. The refund should be credited to your account.

  12. gillian says

    hi sara having just read your latest post on vanquish just a quick question last month i forward my complaint to fos because vanquish had rejected my claim due to my card being taken out in 2009 does the latest news mean i will be due a refund of all intrest paid on the rop from this date and should i cancel my claim with the fos as my main point was i did not know this rop was charged intrest every month or should i just leave my claim in a little longer i dont want to clog up the fos for longer than i need to as a know they are very busy and they do a good job i paid my vanquish account off with the payday refund i recieved thanks to you but the card is still active i did cancel the rop when i found out how much it was costing me ty

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      “does the latest news mean I will be due a refund of all interest paid on the rop from this date” yes :)

      “should i cancel my claim with the fos” that is a harder one. In theory it should be fine, but what if their admin goes astray or you don’t hear anything from them for 6 months? It’s tempting to let the FOS complaint stand until you get your refund – you could tell the adjudicator this?

  13. African Queen says

    This is excellent news for customers. I have also submitted a complaint using the template that Sara provided. Vanquis responded with a letter which included my complaint number. They also informed me that I should hear back in 56 days. I’m 30 days in. I will keep my fingers crossed after yesterday’s announcement and post an update as soon as I have one.
    May I take this opportunity to thank Sara for such outstanding work and website, which I just happened to stumble upon.
    You are a star and you deserve a medal.
    Good luck to everyone. I hope we all have good outcomes.

  14. Sam says

    I must have paid this for 3 years and balance was usually over 1000 but I don’t have my statements what will I get?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      I can’t really guess – I have added a section to the article above “How much will you get?” which looks at why this is complicated.

      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        (Edited)
        Vanquis say “As a result Vanquis has agreed to refund any interest relating to ROP together with 8% statutory interest to cover any period your account would otherwise have been in credit.”

        I think that means that when your account had a balance, you will be refunded the interest you were charged on the card. And when your account had a zero balance – including after the account was closed, you will get 8% simple interest.

  15. Julze says

    I had this and paid it for 2 years. I included the unpaid balance in a trust deed that was completed 8 years ago. Will I receive this back?? It can’t go to my administrator as my case was closed years ago?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      If you were still in a Trust deed, it would go to your administrator. So far as I am aware (and I am not an expert on Scottish Insolvency) the administrator would have to go back to court to reopen your Trust Deed to claim the refund, and after so long that would seem to be unlikely.

      BUT there is also a chance that Vanquis may decide to set off the refund against the amount you defaulted on. I can’t guess if they will do this.

  16. davy says

    Sarah

    What happens if a debt is still owing and is now part of a CCJ?

    I have checked statements and I had ROP from opening the account in 2008 to it being defaulted and subsequently passed to a DCA in 2013

    Thank you

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      This refund won’t affect the CCJ.

      EDITED – the refund will probably be paid to the debt collector.

  17. steve says

    HI Sara, is it true that as a self employed contractor that, if if im out of work i would have been covered ie, freeze etc on account, then i was mis-sold ? then rop should be refunded also ?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      The current ROP page says the full plan covers you if “you’re self-employed, experiencing a reduction in weekly income by 20% or more through loss or non-renewal of contracts or work”. I don’t know if those were the T&Cs when you took the ROP out. I remember someone commenting that they couldn’t claim because they were asked to send more accountants info than they had.

      • steve says

        Thx Sara i understand the t&c’s, however if i never had ROP and i was unable to gain employment for a while then would vanquis have froze my account anyway ? hence ROP mis-sold ?

        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          ok, that is rather a different question. Yes you can try making that argument, first to Vanquis and then to the Ombudsman, that as a regulated lender Vanquis would have had to consider forbearance, see https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/CONC/7/3.html?date=2016-03-21 if you couldn’t get work.

          The FCA presumably considered this argument. The difficulty with it is that the interest freeze wasn’t the only feature of the ROP. And in a year typically nearly 40% of ROP customers used the Lifeline facility, 20% used the text message near limit reminder facility and 85% used the text alert for payment due facility. Now paying the ROP charge for just these would be a rip-off, but regulators don’t tend to declare something mis-sold because of that.

          By going for the “refund interest charges that weren’t explained”, the FCA neatly cut through all the arguments about who would have benefited from the ROP and just refunded everyone some money, even if they used ROP features.

  18. Gail says

    Hope you can help. I have a complaint with the ombudsman at present for rop with Vanquis. I had my account from 2006 with a cl of £500 that rose to £2500 by 2012 always virtually maxed out. My question is as there were varying values to my rop each month dependent upon my balance and I was charged 34.2% does this mean I will get the 34.2% on each top transaction for the time I had my card and then when I was closed in 2012, statutory 8% interest on the total refund from 2013 to date? If so, great, however I understand why it wil be a complicated calculation !!
    Also shall I leave my complaint with the fos and assume Vanquis will deal with the interest only aspect directly?

    • Brian says

      My complaint is now with an Ombudsman after the investigator sided with Vanquis (twice) about the 6+3 rule; but I suppose a small win is better than no win at all. Nevertheless, I’ll take my chances with the Ombudsman hopefully ruling in my favour over mis-selling and grant me a refund of the payments as well.

      Its not like Vanquis can renege on the ROP interest + 8% refund, so I don’t have anything to lose in that regard going after the premiums as well.

      I have around £1000 still on my Vanquis card; I doubt the ROP interest refund will be enough to put me in credit, but it will at least knock a nice hole in the balance.

  19. Dave G says

    Hello Sara
    I recently had a refund in December of ROP:
    ROP £404
    Interest £3600
    £4004 in total

    It wasn’t for the whole of the card as I had ROP from 2004 to 2010 then apparently from 2012 to 2014 , the second ROP (2012-2014) was the refund I got back as everything wasn’t mentioned in call but got nothing for the first lot of ROP. ,

    My balance was virtually £3000 up until 2012 when it was up to the max of £4000 until January where it was cleared, do u think I will be getting a substantial amount of interest back as from 2005 onwards I was paying 59%interst on card (-around £40 a month for ROP)

    Like you said the amount of interest paid out e.g. my first refund can be a lot higher than that of the ROP itself, considering the amount of time since my first ROP payments I am looking forwards to the amount I am going to get.

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      First I edited your comment because of the correction you added to make it clear. I hope this now reads ok?

      Yes I think you should now get a refund from the first ROP episode. I can’t guess how much but well worth pursuing.

      I think you should phone them up and ask if you will be getting a refund for the first tranche – I’m not suggesting that most people should do this, but your situation is highly unusual and I am concerned if you don’t get on to this you may not be considered as you may be sitting in the “we already paid him a lot so that’s sorted” pile. By accepting their offer you were technically agreeing to a full settlement of your claim… but I think the FCA’s ruling and Vanquis’s decision to pay out on older loans means this should be pursued, to the Ombudsman if Vanquis don’t co-operate.

  20. Sam says

    I have submitted my complaint and now just waiting to have an acknowledgement from them on whether they are going to uphold it! Fingers crossed I hear something soon. But with this announcement made about a week after I submitted my complaint I’ve a feeling it’ll be lost!

  21. Natalie says

    Hi Sara
    Wondering if you can help me..
    Further to my last comments, received letter 10th January upheld complaint I should receive cheque within 28 days.
    35 days passsed I called up, got told sorry they are a bit behind and will be posted.
    42 days- still no cheque, call back up told the same thing it will definitely be posted- low and behold still no cheque
    Day 47- got told we will post today and it will be recorded with £25 compensation too, please call back Thursday for tracking number if it hasn’t arrived but it should of by then… today Day 50- just called for tracking number and they’re now using the snow as an excuse for why it hasn’t been sent and that it will be picked up by Royal Mail today and with me tomorrow or Monday. Obviously I don’t believe a word of this now- what can I do? Please help!!

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      well the snow may actually be real … sorry but there isn’t anything you can easily do to speed this up :(

      • Natalie says

        Yes definitely snow is real this week but not on the previous 3-4 weeks. So many people had their cheques within 9 days. Day 50 is a bit ridiculous don’t you think :(

  22. Kristen says

    Hi not sure if I have the paid ROP would this show on my statement as a transaction? I only have the Vanquis app on my phone which isn’t great, any help would be much appreciated

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      Yes it would show on your statements. Each month there should be a line saying “Repayment Option Plan”.

  23. Mareena Ingram says

    I had a vanquis card from around 2009-2014 and very rarely managed to clear the balance with a credit limit of £2500. however I have had a DRO will this affect any payment I am due or will this cancel it out completely does anyone know?!

  24. Chelsea says

    Hello :)

    Looking at my statement today to make a payment, I’ve only just realised I pay ROP on my account which I opened in late 2013. I just googled it and, of course, came across this ongoing issue and the great news of potentially being refunded the interest. I wonder, however, if there was a template letter anyone knew of regarding being missold the Repayment Plan itself entirely. I have no knowledge of this being explained to me, no welcome pack, nothing. I never take out any extras on anything ever! I’m just concerned about what I should be writing to put forward my best case.

    Any help or advice would be so absolutely appreciated.

    What a great website to help people.

    Chelsea

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      When you got the card, you should have received a sales call to persuade you what a great idea ROP was… if you are sure you never had this call, or didn’t agree to take the ROP, you do not need a template letter just email mailto:customer.relations@vanquisbank.co.uk with COMPLAINT as the title and say that you understand you will be getting a refund of the interest on the ROP but you also want a refund of the ROP itself as you never agreed to take it, as their call recording will show.

  25. Denise Lawrence-Jones says

    Hello,

    I rang Vanquis on Wednesday and asked about ROP. I was told that I did have it and that they would send a cheque within the next 180 days. I did ask if they could fast track it, as I am moving soon and the lady said she would make a note of the system. We shall see!

    Has anyone else been told anything like this? 180 days (6 months) seems a heck of a long time.

    The account has been closed for a couple of years now.

    Thank you for reading.

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      thanks, that’s confirmation that they are planning on 180 days for closed accounts.

  26. Dave says

    My 56 days is up on sunday, just checked my account and I’ve received £3700. Will await the letter from Vanquis with the breakdown but wow very happy with that thank you this site is amazing!

  27. Phusita says

    Hi Sara

    I have a look on my statement and I do have pay ROP Each month and another interest charge
    -DEFAULT CHARGE INTERESTA
    £2.45
    -REPAYMENT OPTION PLANA £9.54
    -PURCHASE INTEREST. £16.62

    I haven’t hear anything from the Vanquis about Refund ROP. to my account
    Should I call them about ROP or should I put a complaint to them for all extra I have been change For the last 2 years.

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      You should get this refund automatically within the next 90 days.

      It is a refund of the interest you have been charged on the ROP, not a refund of the ROP charges themselves.

  28. Claire says

    Hi Sara
    I had the card in 2012 and and was paying rop and purchase interest I cancelled it in June 2016 I still have the card now the account is still opened I am not using it.

    • Claire says

      I have just contacted them they took details of telephone number and address and said they will be in touch within 90 days about a refund on rop depending on how long you had it and the interest paid they will be in touch via phone call or letter. Hope that helps everyone.

  29. Jb says

    Sara,Is everyone who had Rop getting its back or just the select few I’ve not heard anything about this and wondering if I Have missed something

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      Everyone who has paid ROP will be getting a refund, not of the ROP itself but of the extra interest they have paid because of it.

      It was only announced by Vanquis this week and they haven’t yet written to anyone about it, but you should hear in 3 months if your account is still open, or 6 months if it is closed.

      Some of the comments here make it sound as though the refunds have been going on for a while – well they have for the people that were using my template letter to complain. But now you don’t have to put in a complaint, you should be refunded automatically :)

  30. Dawn Cumming says

    Hi Sara

    My account was closed 2 half years ago, I stumbled across your page beginning of January and sent of the template email, got a reply back 12th February saying they have 56 days, this is up end of next week, what do you think will happen, will I receive my ROP with interest charges back or just the interest

    Many thanks Dawn

      • Dawn Cumming says

        Update …. just called them and asked if there had been a resolve, not yet and he confirmed that the 56 days are up in Friday, I should hear then, I am under the assumption that they leave it until the very last day, has anyone else found this to be correct
        Thanks Dawn

        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          yes they used to do that – it is possible they may change this with the new auto refund policy, but until things have settled down there really isn’t any experience to go on.

  31. Bev says

    I compmained about ROP a few months ago but was rejected as over the 6+3years. My account opened in 2008. I was just wondering, if the interest amount on ROP pushed you over your limit and got charged, will this be refunded too?

  32. Hayley Anderson says

    Hi all I’m the same took the card out in feb 2014, was paying for ROP right up until last year when I was paying at least £80-£100 a month with a £4000 limit never could get my balance down so I cancelled the plan and my minimum payments still haven’t gone down, still having to pay £200+ a month even though I don’t need to as there is always £100 left after my statement has been generated, will I get a refund on the interest as I was paying a lot throughout the 4 years that I’ve had this card

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      “my minimum payments still haven’t gone down” that’s correct, but now those minimum payments are starting to clear more of the debt, not just paying the interest and the ROP. If you are using the card this may not be very obvious to you, but you are in a much better position than if you hadn’t cancelled the ROP.

      “will I get a refund on the interest as I was paying a lot throughout the 4 years that I’ve had this card” yes, you will get a refund on the interest that has resulted from the ROP charges – this could be a lot. Let us know what you get!

      • Hayley Anderson says

        Ok yak like you very much for the help and as soon as I know anything I will let you know

  33. Isabelle says

    This FCA ruling is excellent news proving that Vanquis was in the wrong. I had the ROP from 14th March 2007 to 15th January 2012. When I tried to make use of the ROP due to some temporary financial issues, I was told over the phone that it could not be applied because I was self-employed! But they knew I was when they sold me the ROP.

    Since Sarah put the thread about trying to get a refund, I put my complaint forward and on 18th October 2017, I received a letter from Vanquis rejecting my claim on the grounds that the ROP scheme I had was over 6 years ago. I contacted them 3 weeks ago to ask them to send me the transcriptions of the call to take the claim to the Ombudsman. To date I still have not received the copies of the transcribed calls.

    I am wondering whether I should contact Vanquis and make them aware that I am expecting a refund?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      I think you will now get a refund of the extra interest you were charged. On 5 years ROP that may be quite a lot.

      But it isn’t a refund of the ROP itself. It sounds as though you have a good case for asking for that back too, as you were misled about it. It’s up to you if you want to take the case to the Financial Ombudsman to ask for a “full refund” – if you want to do this, I think you should do it now, not wait for the call recordings which could take a long while. Get your case to the FOS and the FOS can ask Vanquis for the recordings.

      If you would be happy to just get the interest part back (and I must emphasise I am guessing when I say that may be a lot) then I think you should write to Vanquis and say you are happy to settle your complaint on the basis of the automatic refund they are sending everyone. But if you don’t get a reply still send the case to the FOS.

    • laura says

      I had the same problem with this ridiculous 6 year rule, but the excuse they gave me was they do not keep phone records after the 6 years.

  34. Karen says

    I have had a vanquis card since 2015 and I have been paying the ROP, will I qualify for a refund ?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      yes, you will get refund of the extra interest you have been charged.

      But also think about cancelling it straight away – it is very expensive. If you weren’t paying this, more of your monthly payment would be paying off your balance, reducing the interest you are charged the next month. Most people think the “interest freeze” is ROP’s main feature – but if you get into financial difficulty every lender in Britain has to consider freezing interest, so you don’t have to pay the ROP to get this.

  35. Julie says

    I had a Vanquis card from 2007 to 2013 with rop, I logged my complaint via email in October, I received a confirmation email and a letter stating they are dealing with my complaint. To date I haven’t received a resolution, even though I have telephoned numerous times, should I get in touch with ombudsman?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      That’s odd, they are slow but not normally that slow.

      If you want a “full refund” – not just the interest which is now going to be refunded automatically – you should send your complaint to the Ombudsman now.

      If you would be happy to just get the interest back you should write to Vanquis and say you are prepared to settle your complaint now on the basis of the automatic refund they are sending everyone. If they don’t reply within a couple of weeks, send it to the Ombudsman.

      • Julie says

        Thank you Sara I have passed my complaint to the ombudsman and I will keep you updated

  36. Gaynor says

    hi :) great news :)) iv e got my yearly statement in front of me for 2017 _2018 iv e been overlimit the whole year on 3000 limit I have not used the card since nov2016 and could not get the balance down !! found this site just before Christmas and used your template to complain and was rejected. was just figuring out what to put in my claim to FOS and came to check on here for help and saw the news :) Now to my question bearing in mind I haven t used the card my statement says purchase transactions £403.34 interest charged on purchase transactions £1481.10 !! how do I figure out what I could get back ?? Had card since 2010 and this is for just 1 year !!

      • Gaynor says

        hi Sara , I did respond to you but its showing as a separate feed that might not make sense on its own lol yes the only transactions were ROP s and you can dismiss what I said about being under my limit for the first time in for ever as the very next day they slapped the interest on and put me back over my limit by £42 :((((

  37. Ty says

    Hello,

    When I first opened my account in 2013 over the phone, I can remember saying no to the repayment option plan, but then I saw the payment on my statement a few months later and didn’t realise it was the product I declined. Currently I have a payment arrangement in place, so ROP is still on my account but not being charged.

    If i believe I said no to ROP at the very beginning, is this grounds for a complete refund of ROP as well as the associated interest?

    If so, how should i go about this? Should they have a recording of my call from 2013?

    Many thanks in advance,
    Ty

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      Yes that is grounds to have the ROP itself refunded as well as the extra interest incurred because of it.

      Put in a complaint being very clear about this. An email title COMPLAINT I REFUSED ROP BUT WAS CHARGED FOR IT would help. Tell them to listen to the call recording – from 2013 they will have this. Be clear you want the ROP itself refunded in addition to the automatic refund of the extra interest refunded. Send the case to the Ombudsman after 8 weeks.

  38. James Owens says

    Hi Debt Camel!

    I had an account with Vanquis that unfortunately went into default after 3 missed payment. I believe the time frame was 2014-2016 but can’t be to certain without checking my credit file. I am just wondering if I would still be eligible for a refund for these charges? Thanks!

  39. Dave G says

    Hello Sara
    I last emailed u on the 28th saying about my upheld refund in December for ROP from 2012-2014 and I put down that it wasn’t upheld for the period of 2005 to 2010 , so u suggested I get in touch with them to see if I was to get my interest for the first ROP , I sent them a email that day and just had a phone call from them saying yes I would be getting all interest back from that period, I asked when I may hear from vanquis regarding the refund and they told me that the refund team have been told today that Vanquis will be working on cases from 2003 (longest and probably most refund) up to October 2017 , so if u had it around 2003 you may be one of the first but the later it was the longer u will have to wait….I hope this gives a indication of how long people will have to wait

  40. lynne todd says

    So, did Vanquis inform everyone of the full cost of the ROP on the same date in 2017? I have no idea when they informed me!

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      There were lots of reports of people getting letters out of the blue in autumn 2017. I don’t get the impression they were all posted on the same date.

      • lynne todd says

        In that case I shall have to take their word for it! Sure, they’re a trustworthy bunch….aren’t they???? ;)

      • Kara says

        I had a letter in late 2016 confirming how much I had paid as ROP on the previous year and saying it had been subject to my interest rate of 49.94%.
        Oh 2017 I received the same kind of letter, although my balances had been zero for a year, but it stayed that my ROP interest rate was 39%.
        I’m glad that it was the higher rate whilst I had a balance as it will make for a better refund! I paid £880 from 2011-2016, but most of it was from 2014 when they increased my credit limit frequently.

  41. Elizabeth Brock says

    i have cancelled the ROP on 27th february and made my complaint in regards to the ROP. I was told on the phone that theyd logged the complaint and to wait 56 days but they also said id receive notification through the post yet still nothing. They only thing i have received is a text message on the 5th march apologising for my experience and they have logged my complaint (including ref number) for investigation. Shouldnt i of received a letter of confirmation rather than a text message?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      I don’t think this matters, they have your complaint and you know the reference number.

    • Mark says

      I put a rop complaint in on the 13th Feb and received a letter at the start of March acknowledging the e-mail and that they would be in touch within the 56 days. So don’t worry I’m sure you will hear soon. After this ruling I imagine they are pretty busy haha.

  42. Sam says

    Hi,

    I had a phone call yesterday saying my case was being dealt with. I had to send confirmation of my change of name and address as these had all changed since I had my account. They were lovely and very helpful. Whilst she couldn’t tell me how much I was getting she just stated that a cheque would be sent to me within the 180 days. I’m hoping it might come before then though. I’m intrigued as I’ve no idea how much the refund will be, I was to the limit on my card all the time and eventually cut it up and paid it off! My final limit I think was £2,750 and I opened this in 2012 and closed in 2015! Anyone know how or if we can work this out before we get the cheque, just so I have an idea of what to expect!
    Thanks!

    • Gail says

      I was in a similar situation and went over my limit by a small amount each month and was charged overlimit fee. Do you think we will get compound interest on the £12 fee if the rop and interest charge caused this ?

      • Sara (Debt Camel) says

        I think you should if it was the additional interest taking you over the limit – which I think it would often be. When you are offered a refund, ask them how this was calculated and if it includes these over limit fees.

  43. James says

    I complained in January and have just logged in to see my £500 balance cleared, nothing to say if i am due extra. How long did people have to wait before receiving a cheque in the post? Not sure if mine will just be the interest or because i complained before the FCA ruling i will get tje payments back as well?

  44. laura says

    Have just made a basic calculation £25 rop per month @2 years @ 39%Apr which is roughly 3% per month is coming out at £28.82p. I think vanquis have got off very lightly, and I for one will definitely be pursuing my rop payments as they were miss sold .never asked for it never used it , and to be honest never even knew I had it until 5 years of paying it just thought it was part of my monthly bill. You live and learn. !

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      Back of a fag packet calculation – £25 ROP every month for 2 years the interest charged at 40% I make about £200… The first month there is just 1 months ROP to charge interest on. The second month there are two months ROP to charge interest on. etc.

      So you may be surprised how much the automatic refund comes to. But if you are sure you never agreed to it, then you should complain, tell them to check the call recordings and ask for a refund of the ROP itself.

  45. Mo says

    I complained in January, got the standard letter saying we dealing with your complaint and have 56 days to reply . Then got a letter saying I took out ROP in 2011 and it’s past the 6 years . I asked for a copy of my call that I was meant to agreed ROP but they no longer have this and I never got a letter stating few weeks after either that I agreed to ROP . I called them back on 27 th feb as I sent emails which they ignored regarding this . I eventually got through on the phone and they said I would only get interest back But as I am a customer they will pay back interest only with in 90 days . I have sent to ombudsman but don’t no if I will get anywhere with this .

  46. Elizabeth wynn says

    Hiya I was also paying rop for vanquis too didn’t realise till 3 year later and when I phoned them they said I opted into it even tho I’m unemployed so I know I didn’t they contacted me and said they would put 600 back on my vanquis card anyway it never showed on my statements or anything my limit was 3 grand and was paying 130 pound a month plus 20 pound rop add to stop paying them due to relationship breakdown so if they paid me that 600 pound my balance would be 2400 and they’ve sent me letters saying I owe 3752 pound and sent my debt to a debt collector have I got a case pls

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      If you paid ROP for three years then you should automatically get a refund of the extra interest you have paid. This will be sent as a credit to the account with the debt collectors. Let us know how much you get!

      But I am not quite clear if Vanquis stopped your ROP after you complained… if they carried on, then I think you should also ask for a refund of all the ROP you paid after that point.

  47. laura says

    It’s 40% a year the monthly equivalent compound rate is 2.48. So it would be £25 +2.48%. Hope I am wrong. And as I have said before I asked vanquis for my rop payments back , but they told me they do not keep phone recordings after 6 years .

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      You are right for 1 month. But the next month your balance will have gone up by £50 – the £25 from that month and the £25 from the month before (assuming you haven’t cleared the balance) so interest is charged on that. Etc etc by the end of two year interest is being charged on £600. The “interest on ROP” adds up to a lot over time!

  48. Tony says

    I truly hope this is a nice little sweetener due.
    I had masses of personal debt which have completely written off nearly a decade of my life.
    Entered a DMP 4 years ago and I can now see a light at the end of the tunnel.
    Complained about PPI to Vanquis and was told about the ROP I had activates on my account from 2009 until Jan 2018. Credit limit was £3,500 with minimum payments and always over limit being the norm.
    Fingers crossed this will clear another chunk of the debt! ????
    Cannot thank this site enough.

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      Are you saying that Vanquis carried on charging ROP after you went into your DMP?

    • Tony says

      I am awaiting the breakdown, but the wording on their letter suggests so.
      Unfortunately I have no statements to check as I cleared the card last year

  49. Maxine says

    I had ROP from 2005 to 2011 , cancelled ROP in 2011 but still using card at the moment, my balance is still virtually to the limit of 3500, my question is the interest I got charged on the ROP , because I have never cleared the card and only paid the minimum each month,would the interest on the ROP that I paid still be accumulating year by year or would it have stopped when I cancelled ROP in 2011 and the 8% they give you would that be on a yearly basis too or on the amount u get back in paid interest at the end

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      This is what I think should happen:

      The interest will have carried on being charged on the ROP you had already paid after you stopped paying it any more. This may well be a very large amount – can you let us know when you find out?

      BUT I’m not sure whether you will get 8% in addition. I suspect that may on;y kick in if you actually repaid some ROP bu paying off a large amount of your balance.

  50. Natcarm says

    I took out a Vanquis CC in 2007 with ROP (not sure if i agreed to it or not), 54% APR and a limit of £500. I went over my limit in around 2010 so haven’t used the card since then and although I made the minimum payments each month my balance increased. (End of Jan 2018 my balance had gone up to £1700, £1200 overlimit)

    I wonder if I’ll get the overlimit charges back in addition to the interest?

    Do you think it’d be worth pursuing the ROP amounts that I paid through the ombudsman?

    Thanks for all the advice you give out, It’s been very helpful :)

  51. David says

    Hello
    I sent an email to FOS to find out how my case against Vanquis was progressing due to recent events and he has said they were “trying to determine how this will affect individual complaints,if at all.unfortunately we are not able to confirm how long this will take but it does mean at the moment we are not in the position to investigate complaints at this present moment , as things progress I will keep u up to date as best as I can ”

    So the way I see it FOS are suspending cases for the time being ,thought I would share this with this website

  52. Dawn Cumming says

    Hi Sara

    I can’t find my original post on here …, it’s been 56 days today and my account was closed 2 half yrs ago, I’m just off the phone and they have used the 6 year rule and state they are not upholding my complaint, they said I can go to ombudsman if I wish, I asked about the interest that they are due me and they said I won’t be forgotten about, I’m now going to have to wait another 180 days on top of the 56 I’ve already waited, I thought that they would have dealt with it then but to use the 6 year rule I’m furious

    Thanks Dawn

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      How annoying, but at least you are now going to get a refund – I was very pleased that Vanquis agreed to cover everyone who had had ROP, it would have been so unfair to have a time bar.

      • Dawn Cumming says

        Hi Sara

        How do I go about sending this to ombudsman, ROP was mid sold to us, it wasn’t ever explained fully what it all entailed or I’m sure no one would ever had agreed to it

        Thanks Dawn

  53. Elizabeth Brock says

    Just an update on cancelling and complaining to vanquis about the ROP on the 27th February 2018. They have decided although it seems i agreed to the ROP but luckily for me certain points weren’t met during the call and they have decided to refund ALL ROP fees from February 2014 upto February 2018 with Associated interest plus the notional 8% interest. Thank you im extremely happy with the outcome and help provided from this site. Goodluck to Everyone taking up a case i hope yours is as successful as mine.

  54. Mandy says

    Hello debt camel, just updating you on my vanquis ROP complaint. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the information provided. I would not have known about this otherwise.

    I received a letter this morning stating my complaint has been upheld and I will be receiving £1288.47 as a refund, ROP was mis-sold to me in Oct 2012.

    I am still waiting for the refund to hit my vanquis account balance but I am sure it will do by Monday.

    Once again thank you, I go to New York in April and this helps out massively.

    Thanks
    Mandy barton

  55. Gaynor says

    hi Sara xx impatient person that I am I had a go at figuring out :) had my account since 2010 but only got 2015 to 2018 statements so went through every one n wrote down each months ROP :) my apr is 59.9 % :( ROP started out with £12.02 ROP payment so added 5% to that then added following months ROP of £15.93 then 5% again then so on n so on ROP payments rose to £40.37 in the end :\ by using this method the total was a staggering £3,344 !!!! don t forget my claim actually starts 5 yrs before these figures !! does my method seem about right to you lol (hope so ) like to add I feel really annoyed that they re sending me texts to remind me to pay them my next months payment when they owe me !!!

  56. Tony Wood says

    Had rop 7 yrs. Self-employed ….. would they pay out. Had letter Nov 17 telling me interest that 12 months.
    Still no communication regarding this latest news!
    What course of action and timescale can I expect.
    Should I still pay it every month?

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      As you still have the card, you should get your refund of the extra interest you have been paying because of this ROP in the 90 day window, so that would be by the end of May.

      Don’t worry that you haven’t heard anything – no one has yet had a letter about this new automatic refund! The people talking on here about refunds put in a complaint to Vanquis in early January or before.

      It’s your choice whether to cancel it – I think ROP is incredibly expensive, worse than PPI. At least PPI would make your monthly payments, reducing what you owe – all ROP does is mean you don’t have to pay for a while, but your debt stays the same. If you cancel the ROP, you monthly payment is going to mean your balance actually starts falling.

      If you want to cancel now, phone them up and say so – don’t wait for the letter about your refund to arrive in a couple of months.

  57. Nancy says

    I complained on 11th January , within a week I had a letter to say ROP was now cancelled , yesterday I received a letter from vanquis to say it was more than 6 years and I should have realised I had it , this was added to my account after a call on 26 march 2009 and have been paying for it since April 2009 and they are upholding my complaint and I have the right to complain to the FSA , so although they have taken minimum payment every month since 2009 and I stopped using the card a long time ago , there was never a missed payment and my debt continued to rise , until I found this site , could I ask your advice on next step and how it should be worded please , it seems I have paid them a fortune and am prepared to fight this .

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      “they are upholding my complaint” I assume you mean they are NOT upholding your complaint – can you confirm?

      If that is right:

      You will be getting an automatic refund of the interest you have been charged on the ROP payments – that is likely to be a lot! You should be getting a letter about this before the end of May.

      You won’t be getting an automatic refund of the ROP you paid. If you think this was mis-sold and you want the ROP back as well as the interest, you can send your complaint to the Ombudsman now. Or you could decide to wait and see what you get back automatically? Vanquis’s reply to you have said that you have 6 months to go to the FOS.

      I don’t know if the FOS will consider these complaints about mis-selling more than 6 years ago. If Vanquis don’t have the 10 year old call recording, then it may be hard to win this even if the FOS looks into it – there are practical problems with very old complaints. I’m not trying to say don’t do this, I am just saying what may happen.

      • Nancy says

        Hi Sara , I spoke to FSO and emailed a copy of the letter , today I have received a call from them and they are contacting vanquis today regarding my complaint , I will of course keep you posted … and thanks again .

  58. Mark says

    So.. after 54 days elapsed since putting in my complaint VQ have ruled that they can’t uphold my complaint as they put the investigation against my current card which doesn’t have ROP on, not the old account which did even though I explicitly informed them of this when entering into this process, I hope this doesn’t reset the complaint back to 0 days when I get them to correct this detail tomorrow morning!

  59. Craig Wallace says

    “This refund is being paid because on 27 February, the FCA (Vanquis’s regulator) announced the result of its investigation into ROP and concluded it was missold to every customer because the true cost was not explained to them.”

    If the FCA has determined that ROP was missold to every customer then surely all ROP payments should be refunded and not just the interest as it is being missold that forms everyone’s complaint

    • Sara (Debt Camel) says

      So far as I can tell, the argument runs that by refunding the extra interest you were charged, the cost of the ROP is then reduced to what you agreed to, so that’s all right.

      • Craig Wallace says

        Thanks Sara

        It would appear to me though that Vanquis can’t argue that ROP wasn’t mis-sold as the FCA has determined that it was in 100% of the cases they looked at. Therefore everyone who claims it was and makes a complaint to Vanquis should be entitled to a full refund of ROP payments and interest. I think Vanquis may be looking at this as the lesser of two evils as the cost of repaying ROP plus interest would be a lot more than £168,000,000.

        • Sara (Debt Camel) says

          Let me try again to explain what I think has been decided. Sorry if the example seems simplistic but I am trying to be clear.

          Say you agreed to buy something for £50. But you were actually charged £90. The FCA is saying this was missold as you only agreed to 50, so you should get a refund of the bit you didn’t realise you would be charged, the 40. The FCA isn’t saying that it was missold so you should get 90 back as you had agreed to pay 50.

          Does this reduce the amount Vanquis have to pay? Well yes but…
          1) its automatic so there is no need to look at each individual case, no need for complaints and people won’t get less if they used some of the ROP benefits
          2) Vanquis have agreed to pay out on cases before the FCA became their regulator in 2014 – they couldn’t be made to do this
          3) Vanquis are paying out even for cases over 6 years old.

          Overall this is going to add up to a LOT more than a full refund of ROP as well on the post-2014 cases.

          And anyone who feels they have a good case for misspelling for reasons apart from the extra interest can still complain if they want.

          It is a compromise, but it seems like a good solution on balance in my opinion.